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Everyone is different. Cam got a crazy amount more than Bryce. He practiced too. Even the best QBs in the NFL like Mahomes and Allen have gotten more to date. Yet some see virtually nothing to an extent, I do wonder if his exposure has been dictated and cut short by the OLs play. Whatever they wanted to test out hasn’t gone the best for the OL. I was at the first game. Hell, I was sort of ready to sit Bryce after his first snap. He got smashed on it.

HC, OC and DC are the most weighted positions. And by those measures we are just an average staff. And frankly, there is nothing wrong with that. I don’t think Capers and Caldwell necessarily make us anything. They are old. Yeah, they got experience but they are different era guys. And even one of the articles you posted acknowledged that signing all these checks to bring all this experience on a paper might be counter productive. But they don’t rocket us up to tops of the league IMO. I just don’t see folks outside of Carolina viewing them as highly. And I don’t put tons of weight on writers doing what writers do right when it was assembled.

I mean, order does sort of matter. So we are better coached than the Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, Seahawks etc? None of them even made your list that is in no particular order. So frankly, even HOF caliber HCs aren't enough to get staffs into your top 10. Frank isn't a top 10 HC by himself stacked up vs other HCs. So he would initially start on the outside of a top 10 list and a first year OC that isn't calling plays and a DC with one year of experience is rocketing his staff up the charts somewhere to an undisclosed position?

Cool. Give me your top 5 staffs in the NFL. Heck do a top 10 if you prefer. Just list the ones that are better. You can stop when you get to the Panthers. Plenty of people here have talked about the comical overhyping of everything post Rhule around here. Including this best in NFL coaching staff. Finding articles saying they hired a bunch of experience is just that. Which I acknowledged. It's also vastly better than Rhule's. Being a massive upgrade over Rhule doesn't make it a top staff in the NFL. Dom Capers and Jim Caldwell being consultants don't make this one of the best staffs in the NFL. It means you can write articles about the years in the league accounted for here. They are 70 year olds. Tepper just did a 180 to the extreme post Rhule. And Frank is stepping on the young talents toes by doing the playcalling. Which he isn't very good at to date in the NFL. His strengths are elsewhere.

Bryce Young 12 pass attempts thus far in preseason. Cam Newton had 52 pass attempts in his rookie preseason. Frank has gone super light on Bryce Young's reps.

yeah, that's being poorly built. Having the skill position players but no QB. And we trashed it all. Now we drafted a QB, that we hope develops into what we think he can be. And will start adding the talent around him he needs in the coming years. Tom Brady wasn't Tom Brady his rookie year. Peyton wasn't Peyton. Cam wasn't Cam. And Bryce won't be what we hope he can become either this year.

QBs and WRs have had a pretty good run. But yeah, their defensive guys sort of hint at the system and collective in Clemson being the real key there. They have a lot of really good guys generally playing together on the line. It's been an insanely deep position of late in Clemson. Their weakest links are stronger than other teams and I think helps everyone to look their best. Lot of those guys wouldn't of looked as good on less talented lines most likely.

Dexter made the Pro Bowl last year. He is a nice player.

it the tweener problem. Simmons never really fit anywhere in college. So, he sort of fit everywhere. Just let a raw athlete be that. Problem is the NFL needs guys that do specific things very well. and even Chinn sort of falls into that to some degree. What is Chinn? A really talented dude we can't really figure out what to do with. At least to date.

this is weird mental gymnastics. People who say we are rebuilding aren't not excited. Rebuilding properly and doing it the correct way is exciting. I can't wait to watch Bryce grow and to build around him. That's why we drafted him. To build something around a hopefully special player. And this team will hopefully learn in time the best way to do that and the type players he will need to maximize his skill set.

true, because we were a poorly built team. So we cashed them in to build something new. Under the direction of a new staff. And first puzzle piece was a rookie QB they hope to build around.

We traded away our far away our 2 best offensive players on offense for draft picks. We are creating a brand new identity. New scheme. New coaches. New players. And those new players that were signed via free agency are short term temps types. That's Theilen. That's Chark. That's Hurst. That's Sanders. Bryce Young and Mingo are the only 2 we are hoping to be long term fixatures here. That we build around. In our brand new offense. With our brand new coaches. On our new team.

and trade away your 2 best offensive players for draft picks.

Give me your top 5 coaching staffs in the NFL and show me where you got the one of the best in the NFL Carolina staff? The All Star staff. They are all stars in comparison to Matt Rhule's assembled staff. Which I acknowledge. Frank + a first year OC who isn't calling plays + a DC with 1 year in the books in the role ......is not one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL. We are in a fine spot w/ our coaching staff. Best spot we have been in of late. No need to then exaggerate it. We have young talent. That's a good thing. Potential isn't proven though. And we likely need Frank to get out the way and be a HC and see what we got in the OC. Because we know what we have in Frank the playcaller. And that's pedestrian playcalling at the NFL level to date. The primary knock of the HC.

I’m not stirring the pot saying we are in a rebuild. We are. Lord Zod can tell you that. And it gets no higher than that. But you likely could call me more of a NFL fan than a Panther fan. I definitely don’t fan boy out over a team that hasn’t won in a literal half decade. This is always the worst part of the season…..you got hyper sensitive crowd once again unable to handle people talking about a football team. People dare speak against those that say McAdoo/Rhule pairing is going to be awesome, Sam Darnold and the Jets outcasts is smart direction, etc. Oh noes! Someone said Fitt who is going on year 3…..doesn’t really anything to his name that could result in him being actually praised as good at his job.

He signed with the Titans awhile ago

It’s just standard talk IMO. What you want him to say to a fanbase that hasn’t seen a winning season in a half decade. I would think year 3 you look to be good. And that is still Adam’s contract. Possibly year 2. Not year 1.

I don’t have low expectations. I’m excited to hopefully watch a proper rebuild. We wasted the last 3 years. It should have been a proper rebuild post Ron/Cam. We waste 3 years in no man’s land not doing one. But they have gotten off to a decent start to the rebuild. I can nitpick it a little but it’s a pretty decent start.

Acknowledging a rebuild isn’t an excuse. sooner rather than later….doesn’t equate to being a contender in year 1. We need offensive players. We need experience and time. And we are likely going to need pieces up front on D for the new scheme. and developing Bryce doesn’t mean playing 1940s football. Which is what Wilks did when we lucked into games against an abnormal amount bad run defenses. We aren’t building off what was done last year. rookie QBs take lumps. Especially ones that aren’t playing with elite defenses or HOF skill talent. Very few exceptions to that.

We don’t have an all star coaching staff. Frank is a Ron/Fox. Who was just fired for his inability to get it done and specifically the O he called. Which he is calling here. And Capers and Caldwell are old heads. We got a tremendous amount of years and experience on staff. But a lot of that narrative was just built off having so many old guys. We got an exciting young DC whose 1 year featured him inherited a top 10 D. That’s not an all star staff. The rest of the league would be the comparison not Rhule’s squad. Wilks didn’t install a new system. He is a DC. He kept McAdoo. He just dictated what McAdoo would call going forward vs what he did. and building something new isn’t easy with old parts. It doesn’t happen overnight Nor is winning in general for any rookie QB.

Randy Fasani - literally pulled off a 0 QB rating in his lone NFL start

We did a rebuild. It’s not about taking a step forward from something that no longer exists. We got all a new scheme to learn and figure out. And it will take time for this staff to find the ideal personnel to fit the new schemes. And we got a rookie QB. Literally every skill position starter is new. New coaches.

They both went to Super Bowls in their first 3 seasons here.

He was drafted to a team where it made sense for him to be. He now exists on a team where it really doesn’t. I mean, from Matt’s perspective. If I was him I would have nicely asked the front office to trade me. I’d want to go somewhere with an unstable QB position and where it likely could get unstable soon.

I mean, we did have one of best vertical threats in the NFL though......which was coverage altering. I mean, Ginn Jr's #'s would actually be bonkers if he had hauled into all those wide open deep ball TDs. I mean, he had 700+ yards and 10 TDs. But there is a highlight clip of all his big play drops. It's actually insane to go watch that drop reel. and that helped the MVP to Pro Bowl TE connection thrive. Who was the #1 WR. It would be like saying KC doesn't have a true #1 when the O is built around Kelce. KC has a #1. It's the TE. People largely knew where Cam wanted to go in key moments.