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looking forward to that pee-can pie! No cheap immitation puh-kahn junk.

for whatever reason, next gen stats has literally every QB passing chart up from last week but the Panthers game.

I don't want to rush him back. I mean if he is technically health enough and basically we have to beat Tampa to be in? Yeah, trot him out there. Otherwise, I'd rather just shut him down for the season. Tampa is really the only game where we would legitimately need him to win. Matchup wise, winning the other games is going to come down to other positions.

NFL teams have historically operated more like mom and pop shops than fortune 500 companies. I would wager, there are a lot of owners closer to the mold of Jerry Jones, Dan Synder, etc. than most realize. They just don't seek the limelight and wish to be the face like them. But behind the scenes? I mean, look at Jerry. Publically, he looked like an old man that rode in golf cart looking at his toy investment. And a camera would occassionally pan to him looking like he might fall asleep in the box. He made a point to rarely talk to the press and have his name in people's mouth. But behind the scenes? Jerry was a very impactful. Not just with his team but the league. And a massive part of Hurney's blunders that he takes all the blame for.....were simply doing what Jerry Richardson laid out. The turning point in Hurney's GM job was around the lockout time. That was JR IMO more than Hurney.

Yes. Two things can be true. The players AND the coaches can be both take fault in that game. Specifically defensively. not sure why some want it one to fall only on one and excuse the other.

I already told you, it isn't hindsight. It was discussed on this board before the game. We have a top 3 DB in Gilmore. He was the play on McLaurin. Just like he was on every top threat when it mattered the weeks prior. DJ hasn't been playing like a Pro Bowler. The Jets, Giants, Texans, Eagles, Atlanta games? Not a single one of those where the narrative of Pro Bowl Jackson was formed featured him shutting down any QB/WR pass connection of note. They all were horrible pass offenses that were matched up vs an elite pass rush. And Jackson was tasked with covering weak WRs. McLaurin ate his lunch. Theilen ate his lunch. So basically he has one actual good game to his name this year. Dallas. I mean we if we talking Pro Bowl caliber play, that is deterined in select games. I mean, Dallas did whatever they wanted to our D that game. But he technically wasn't roasted by Lamb. That's not Pro Bowl DB play on display. Jackson is a decent DB. If you have Gilmore? The play was obivous. You play the top 3 DB on the stud their O goes through. The coaches botched the first half. We all saw the results. Then they fixed it after the half.

only we know that isn't true. The Panthers altered the plan in the 2nd half. Gilmore did cover Scary Terry in the 2nd half. So go pull Scary Terry's first half numbers vs second half numbers. Elite top 3 DB play > average DB play + elite speed

you literally somehow ignored the part in the post where I said " We have been putting Gilmore on the biggest threat of late situationally when it mattered" . That has been the case in every game of late, except the first half of the Washington game. We did it with Pitts, we did it with AJ Green, and we did it in the second half with McLaurin. again, the snap count arguement is bunk. Gilmore was on the field on all those big plays McLaurin hit. Because those are the type downs we use him on. And we went back to using Gilmore properly in the 2nd half. Which is what we have been doing with Gilmore since he got back on the field. It was clearly a coaching decision to alter what was working and was obivous going in. The staff opted to use Jackson in the first half on McLaurin over Gilmore in the situtions that called for Gilmore. Gilmore was on the field. The coaches mindbogginly thought Jackson was a better option because he is fast. And the second half, they admitted to their coaching mistake. And went back to getting Gilmore to solve the biggest threats situationally.

We put Gilmore on Pitts. We put Gilmore on AJ Green. We have been putting Gilmore on the biggest threat of late situationally when it mattered. Not Jackson. Because again, Gilmore is hands down the best DB in Carolina. and Gilmore was on the field in the first half on the plays McLaurin hit the big plays. It's why the snap count excuse Rhule threw out there was bogus. And of course, they made the obivous correction in the 2nd half. You can go read threads on this forum before the Washington game...where it was talked about why this should be a win for us. It specfically talked about us having Gilmore and the ability to neutralize McClaurin. Which was the key to stopping Washington's O. That's not hindsight. Claiming it is hindsight is just breaking your back bending over to defend Matt Rhule and poor coaching/gameplan they came out with.

I don't blame the coaches for everything. It was pretty clear before the game and was talked about how Gilmore needed to be on McLaurin. That was a coaching error. Gilmore is vastly the best DB on the team. McLaurin is a legit stud WR. That was the matchup. Everyone knew stopping McLaurin was the matchup and key. That's a coaching error. Not just an execution error. and that error, got the Washington O confident and in a groove the first half. Can't let a team build up momentuem. and yeah, a lot of guys executed poorly. Pointing to that doesn't mean the coaches therefore did a great job.

that's also player speak though. No real leader on a healthy team (locker room wise) is going to pin the blame on anything other than execution. go look at some of the worst coaching jobs in Cam's career. He would stand at the podium. Say he didn't execute well enough. It was all his fault. That wasn't true. But despite the pouting, Cam always took it all on the chin. The correct answer is to say you didn't execute. That doesn't mean the coaching wasn't garbage. You ask Bersin to get open deep on a vertical vs Revis. Well, Bersin would say he should of executed better. Reality is, the coaches should of never asked him to execute that and throw it his way. the problems weren't just execution. And there 2nd half adjustments pretty much confirmed there intital gameplan that got Washington up and going.....was poor.

Think they will try to let Nagy ride it out. Bears have never fired a coach in season. But that team is largely lost. Was reading reporting on it yesterday. He lost a lot of guys last year. Lost a ton this year when Nagy refused to actually go all in with Fields. Players are fine with rebuilding and be part of something. They aren't fine with wasting their time. They hated the Dalton move and catering things coming into the year around Dalton.

It's Matt Rhule's staff. The 60 million dollar HC got to put his own staff together.

Again, I get people not being in love with Joe Brady. But if any coaches deserved being thrown under the bus after the Washington game it was Phil Snow and Rhule. As bad as he is at times, Brady helped Cam be up and running for 4 quarters. Given Cam hadn't even had 2 weeks with the playbook....the O did a great job. The worst part of leadership, is when you make examples out of the wrong people. O hasn't upheld their part of the bargain in basically every loss. But the Washington games was on Phil Snow. Not the O.

well, a conservative O paired with a D built to play with a lead.....isn't going to beat anyone worth beating.

once they made the move to part with Cam and add Teddy it set us on one path that made sense. You draft a QB. They didn't.

if that were true....wouldn't our offense at least in 1.5 years attempted a pretty fair share of deep shots? I think Rhule simply wants conservative offense and to play defense. The worst type of football.

I know this was what we are sold. But I don't think Rhule is a rah rah dude either. Dabo is a rah rah college coach. Rah rah coaches have real energy. They are hype men. Rhule doesn't look to bring that to the table. They also connect with their players. He mindbogglingly said he finally sat down with Sam Darnold in like week 7 or some poo and finally really talked to him. It's hard to name a single strength Matt Rhule actually has to date. Seems like he is just a media creation of a "program builder". Yet he never really did anything impressive in college in reality. He won a single conference title in small time college football in his career. That's not really program building.

Thanks for clarifying what the tweet was addressing. That’s a bad tweet by Person. Tweet implies something much different.

So….he wants the captains to hold the guy accountable who swooped in and has been great thus far? The guy that totally brought life and energy back to the Carolinas? and he totally isn’t referring to his fellow defenders who laid a massive egg at home? An egg against a squirrelly backup QB, one legit WR and a banged up in game OL?

Cam hasn’t even been in the building for 2 weeks….and winning is basically all Cam cares about. I don’t think coming off a game where the D laid an egg is Reddick talking about Cam.

It’s like one of those Microsoft Word free templates. That is so generic.

Who are the Panther leaders? Assume he is talking about Shaq? Coaches?

here is the problem I have with Rhule. I was completly on board with a complete rebuild. Not a huge fan of Rhule being the guy to do it but whatever. Do it. But that isn't what Matt Rhule is doing here. Complete rebuilds don't involve throwing big bucks at bad veteran QBs. Two years in a row. They don't involve trading away all the draft stock the Panthers have done of late. Whether that is for Sam, Gilmore, or whoever. and complete rebuilds most certinaly don't involve bringing back Cam Newton after being boo'd at your home stadium 1.5 seasons in.....and begging him to go full Cam.

Gilmore was in the long bomb down the left sideline to McLaurin that setup the first TD and the McLaurin TD at the end of the first half. 2:50 mark and 6:10 mark 2nd half they flipped and started putting Gilmore on McLaurin. Which indicates that was purely a coaching calling in the first half IMO of who they wanted matched up. I think the staff over values speed. Yeah, Jackson is faster than Gilmore. McLaurin got real wheels. But the coaching staff clearly acknowledged they needed Gilmore to solve the problem and they could of been doing what they did in the 2nd half all first half. Gilmore was still on the field for the biggest plays he made in the first half. Not putting Gilmore on him from the jump was just dumb. McLaurin is what gets that O going. Everyone knows it. We opted to let him get going despite having the easy answer to it.