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2023 and 2025 "injuries" looked like clear choices by the coaching staff simply not to play Bryce for the week under the defense of "injury". Both times Panthers have had him up on his injury the entire time he was hurt with no signs of it being anything outside of standard wear and tear. Everyone is banged up. Why? Who knows.

What the the odds they basically just take the script from the last 2 weeks and reverse it? That Rico just gets trotted out first and it's still just a committee. Because when Rico went wild the carries were 23 vs 4 and 30 vs 4. I do not believe Dave Canales is going to take essentially his offensive captain/leader in Hubbard and essentially bench him pending Rico isn't just gassed and asks to come out.

When folks predicted a 6 win season for him…..the wins were early in the schedule and exactly here we got them. So where they came doesn’t hold crazy weight describe the Panthers offense in one word to for the collective 6 games Rico Dowdle didn’t start and have anomaly production in……anything that isn’t a adjective for bad would by lying. we have gotten the doors blown off off us by every actual good team. also you can win less games one season to another and actually be getting better and vice versa. The eyeball test says Canales isn’t getting better. Technically our D is better this year but that is more a default given we were historically bad last year

Renfrow is really a 1 of 1 on the roster. He isn't a natural fit for Dave's O or Bryce (given Bryce can't stand tall in the pocket and slice up folks with quick hitters). Renfrow wanted to stay home and prove he could comeback. He did it. From a fit standpoint, Renfrow probably could be pretty dang solid somewhere....but he has zero interest in leaving the area again. He doesn't look washed at all to me. He looks like a horrible fit. But I think he just really wanted to scratch the itch in his backyard one last time.

On paper. And not just Evans. You can go to Seattle too. Him not panning out doesn’t mean the narrative and how he projected didn’t fit at draft time. I only endorsed drafting XL if we were moving on from Bryce Young soon and said at the time XL would stink until we officially moved on from Bryce. They don’t fit the same offense. If you were going to stick with Bryce, Ladd made more sense. But Ladd also doesnt fit what Dave does

XL fit the Canales tree of what you want in a WR David Tepper isn't out there making all these moves.

Yep, a washed Dalton and Bryce are the same tier QB. But yeah, Andy had a day that Bryce routinely has. 2 Rico games really distorted things for some

Oh, I think Canales had to "try" Bryce. That lasted 2 games. They moved on. The fact the QB room was built so poorly allowed the "comeback". Now, this season, we had the same QB room issue only Dalton is much worse. Dan Morgan was Fitterer's right hand man. I still don't get the mental gymnastics of Dan somehow was secret against all the bad moves and Bryce. and I 10000% think the GM's office sold Bryce Young to Tepper and won out over Frank (they had more and louder voices). Dan was part of it. I know Tepper takes mistakes on the chin and moves on. We all know that. I disagree with the notion our QB room is what it is because of Tepper.....it's got to be more Morgan than anyone

Dan Morgan is the GM. Dan Morgan is also part of the brain trust that drafted Bryce and handicapped this org by doing such. We know it's easy for Tepper to admit mistakes. He does it over and over and over and over again. We don't know that about Dan. Sure seems when Bryce rose from the dead it cause Dan Morgan to make some really bad decisions. I think Tepper is a convenient boogeyman people morph to suit narratives. Does he create issues w/ his impatience? 1000%. David Tepper doesn't triple down on mistakes. For all his flaws, Tepper isn't stubborn. He admits mistakes probably too quickly. Tepper seemed to greenlight moving on last year 2 games in if they wanted it.

I think Tepper actually does listen to folks he hires. I think he hires bad people. Nothing about David Tepper says he digs on mistakes and refuses to acknowledge them. At this point, I think the Bryce issue falls more on Dan Morgan than anyone. It was his job to fix the QB room for this season.

Mike Evans made Johnny Football a first round draft pick.

a few coaches have liked all sorts of players that were horrible. NFL is not full of geniuses. It's a good ole boy network of football guys.

a washed (but not as washed as today) Andy Dalton stepped on the field and flipped the offense on it's head in 2023. The one peak we saw w/o Bryce yielded vastly different results. Bryce Young hasn't fit either of the last 2 offenses. Now, that's not his fault. But it's a reality people got to quit ignoring. All he will ever fit is a Young centric O and no coach wants to build that.

2023 was billed as literally the best landing spot for any rookie QB.... Bryce Young just isn't a NFL QB. He can't run an O that isn't super Bryce centric. That's what we have found out. And you see that every single season he has played. He doesn't elevate, he lowers. Frank Reich was an offensive Fox/Rivera. He wasn't the idiot Bryce made everyone look to be. Tepper forced a dude that isn't a NFL QB on the field week 1 that everyone that was coaching knew he couldn't do.

not true. OL is good. Run game is good. We have seen a ton of QBs have middle of the road or better offense w/ that foundation. It's a long list. Whether it's from the jump or injury creates it.

especially given the specific matchup. I mean, running Rico at someone all day isn't going to yield the same outcome each week. But last Sunday, that was the obvious move. We elected to not to lean on the Bills the one way we could.

I still hate they hired up Darin Gantt. Gantt would have been GREAT covering the Tepper era from the outside. From a fan perspective. But I totally get why Tepper snatched him up and took him out of play.

Tape doesn't say that. If Bryce could make easy throws......Renfrow is the 2nd most productive WR statistically to date and that would be WITH him sitting the last 2 games. I got no problem sitting him as developing dudes matter more than anything and also he just flat out doesn't fit Dave's offense. Renfrow is a slot WR but not in the sense Adam Theilen or Coker play WR out of the slot. It's all about fit and Renfrow doesn't fit the scheme or QB. But he probably is the 2nd best overall WR on the roster right now. 3rd when Coker gets back up to speed.

I mean, I think we need a clean house. Something depsite all the Tepper madness he has never done. He always has bleed over. We need a new team. A real new team. GM, HC, and QB. We keep forcing bad dudes into the new operations as well.

5 of his 7 first half carries were at least 5 yards. Rico is flat out playing great. Rico single handedly got us back in and won that Miami game down 17. It was only a 16 hole at the half. We got ball. by the time Rico got his first (and only) second half carry.....it was then a 37 point hole. He is getting some heat, but PFF should do a score for the coaches and Canales should get a negative billion rating.

if using the season and Bryce's play as the reference marker.....odds are they wouldn't of scored much more. When Rico hasn't gone for 200+, the O with Bryce doesn't do the whole "offense" thing very well. It basically hasn't existed outside of those 2 games Rico would bonkers (Cardinals sort of let them have some offense to get back into that one).

Renfrow basically is exactly who we thought he was. He is a niche slot WR. But he doesn't fit the O or Bryce though. Renfrow needs a pretty good QB and scheme to be of use. Bryce Young flat can't even hit him when he is open. Folks saying Renfrow hasn't been good or washed are letting Bryce defense get in the way. It's also just denying reality we watched on the field of him being wide open over and over and Bryce not being able to hit the broad side of a barn. He probably has the best hands on the team though. He is the best short/classic slot route runner on the team and it's not really close. but we need to be developing Tmac, XL, Coker, Tremayne and Horn. I'd say only 2 guys are technically better than Renfrow right now in a vaccum and that is Tmac and Coker.

Packers got the #3 rush D and #6 D overall…. no reason to think Bryce can move an offense on them when he can’t do it vs bad defenses….and they got an O that can stress us at all our weak spots on D beatdown coming. 40ish to 10ish

Bryce had enough starts and chances…..to know his ceiling is just far too low to be a starting QB/plan. He is a backup QB