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I’d be happy to let David Tepper manage my retirement portfolio but just because you are good at something and made a poo ton of money at it….doesn’t mean you will be good at anything you just happen to choose to go do outside of your lane. Some might. But it isn’t some universal truth. I know a couple brilliant people with more money than I could dream of….who are complete idiots when it comes to so many other avenues outside of their lanes. As you noted….see Jordan. A GOAT in many aspects of life. You don’t need to search for a lesson in poor ownership when Tepper is your guy. I got no faith in Tepper in this world because everything he has touched has turned to poo and he has been a nonstop train wreck to date with all things Panthers. Comically bad.

Bobcats. We are the Charlotte Bobcats.

probably. But voters won’t get it right. Because you have to include folks like Gov McMaster at the top of the list and at the state house too.

I guess if you were a MLS fan that would be a pretty big win

well, I would imagine Tepper would still be willing to totally screw RH/SC if this move presents that opportunity. I would suspect if it blows up...Tepper will wouldn't just walk away. He would sue them to get his money back. I think Tepper has the pockets to contiuniously put RH in horrific positions.

It's not over. I think Tepper in the end has good odds of screwing the city, county, state. It's what big money does. Charlotte will be next. I know people like to think NC is somehow superior to idiotic SC. But I think this is a prelude to a bigger fleecing.

I don't know. We barely know anything at this point. That's my point. So until we know more, both sides are at fault. We just don't know to what extent each side is to blame for. I got little use for the politican or the mega wealthy in this context. Those two dancing are always a problem.

generally with gigantic clusterfugs of this scale, it's not one side 100% at fault. But view things from that lense if you want. I don't do that with this example here and I try not to do that elsehwere in life. It's how people get off the hook and repeat things. And also how people get overly blamed and overly punished. Not a fan of either.

Nah, I can give heat to more than one person. That generally is what should happen in a large percentage of scenarios. You hold everyone responsible that deserves some blame and do it propotionately. Generally in our society we are content with having one person take the blame and be the poster child. Take the football team. We don't just suck because of Tepper or Rhule or Sam. We suck because a lot of people are responsible. Fire Rhule today and it isn't like you can pretend Tepper and Sam weren't players in the mess.

We know a fraction of what has happened. A small fraction. And yet you want everyone to quickly deem him 100% not at fault for this giant clusterfug. Yeah, I'm not in a rush to make such a giant delcaration. and yeah, that last comment was the mega wealthy in general and how their dance with our governments. They cause tremendous problems in this country. And I they are problem just like the elected politicans.

I'm not attempting to draw heat away from politicans. They need to get what they get. But I also feel like some are too dimissive of what Tepper's potential role might be in this mess. It takes two to tango. Tepper isn't just a billionaire. He is one of the richest men in America. A mega billionaire. It's guys like him that help create so many problems in this country. Tepper knew and knows what he is doing. But rightfully blasting politicans doesn't mean you need to defend Tepper in the process. He is the same type guy that our society needs to hold accountable IMO.

I look at Sam Darnold and I look at PJ Walker....and if you didn't know how they arrived into the NFL and where strictly viewed as two dudes who play QB.....I'd say they are the same tier QB. Different pros and cons but same tier. and yeah, Ben is just saying what Rhule wants. And clearly they have already discussed Sam is the guy as of right now. My preference is simply they stop with the Sam BS. He isn't very good. And based on Rhule and even Sam himself in that van interview.....reality seems to be something that is missing at BOA. lol Sam saying he has proven he can be a very good QB. We have a HC and a QB who are utterly clueless. I got no problem with whacky confidence. For 3rd string to think he can be an All Pro. I'm cool with the mindset but not fake realities. Sam has sucked. He hasn't proven he can play at a high level. And this charade he should he is a default starter at this point? ....... is just old.

I don't disagree with that. I think RH will look very bad in the end. Maybe the county and state too. I just don't think Tepper is in a position where he should automatically be excused from any fault at this moment. That's really my only stance here. The whole thing is too big of a mess for me to think it is all RH (given the county and state where allies to them). Tepper has gone dark too for some time. More so than anyone else. They generally have refused to answer legit questions too.

I mean, the city manager and mayor were the ones making the claim. They would be the people you look to hear from on such. What better sources would you look for on the RH position? They made the claims when Tepper paused it and went dark. Things got quiet again until today. I would assume in the coming days, weeks, months we will here more from different people. Again, the hope a deal gets completed is going to prevent a lot of things from being said. It would sabotage things. And they probably were flirting with that during that window after the pause. Which I think was addressed publically too that it wasn't smart at the time to be doing such.

that's my gut feeling. He saw a window to tank it and did. Why do you need a training camp facility out of state. Almost zero NFL teams travel for training camp. Carolina was always abnormal in doing that. Tepper probably hates coming to Charlotte enough as is. Why go to RH. A newb and bad owner made the initial deal too quick. The more he sat and watched time go by he realized it was dumb from a Carolina Panthers stand point. We went to Wofford because that was Jerry's place. No reason to be traveling for training camp. Players and coaches hate it. The org hates. Fans like it. Pending you live close by.

I mean, he is in a bad spot and can only say and do so much But to be honest, I would like the Sam BS to end. I'd rather him say some BS about every spot will be competed for. Best man plays. I don't think Sam has earned default starter status at this point in the nightmare.

Hard to be high on Darnold and then saying senslesss turnovers must end. I mean that is Sam's entire college and professional career. He is the posterchild. But Ben is just doing what he has to do. He stuck with Sam so what can you do.

I mean, they could make sense. Bonds don't just appear out of thin air. You have to supply the needed info for them to be issued. I'm not looking to 100% defend RH. I think we all know they were over their skis from the jump. Tepper included knew that. I'm just not sure Tepper didn't add to the problem.

RH officials said the Panthers in reality were holding up the bonds and then told them to not issue them as they (the Panthers) wanted to seek additional alternatives (which I assume was the county and state). Think that claim is pretty well documented. I linked it early in this thread. I'll try to find the exact quote from the County on the informal solution but paywalls make googling a little harder. I think it got it off twitter so I'll take a look there. The way he framed it wasn't that it was just an offer but that Teppers folks were brought in for it and it was agreed to as a solution. Just never formalized. Tepper then went dark after they worked it up together. Might not be true. But I think the RH taxpayers deserve to know about the bonds and the YC taxpayers deserve to know about that resolution. The details behind both.

I suspect, the first time we see Rhule in front of our press will be when talking about draft picks. So all the focus and questions are on the new drafted players.

Enough out there to know RH is going to bare some responsibility in they end for this. Not sure why you are so aggressive in Tepper being 100% cleared of any wrong. Safe bet in life is both won't look great. That's a pretty tame and boring position I am taking. As is the position that once it implodes we get a lot more info and insight than we have had.

about to start.... has Matt Rhule faced the media since our season ended? The Sam Darnold TC Protection Act seems to be enforced for Rhule.

Vehaun also says the Panthers were falling short on items they were supposed to provide so they city could issue those bonds. That apparently included project development plans. ”And that information isn’t something the city could provide on anyone’s behalf is that correct?” asks Gettys. ”That’s correct,” replies Vehaun. Despite these alleged setbacks, Vehaun says everyone was on the same page and the city was ready to issue the bonds. ”We were honestly two weeks away from issuing the debt when we found out that the Panthers asked us to stop,” he explains. ‘Our absolute and professional best’: City leaders speak out about $200M unpaid bonds in Panthers-Rock Hill facility dilemma (live5news.com) Then you have someone from York County Council said they brought in the Panthers and worked out a deal. But then Tepper went dark and wouldn't make it official. That's not fake news. That just me referencing what the news reported. I'd like to know more about that before I pity Tepper lol. Maybe he was 100% wronged. He hasn't earned that type of assumption IMO.

Could be lying. But so could the people you are claiming are the absolute truth tellers. I'll still wait for more info to come out before I cry for David Tepper.

lot of stuff is just one guy saying it though. from what I read the Panthers were brought in and agreed to the deal YC made with them. It wasn't just a proposal. Then had a change of heart. And never signed it. I'd like to know more about that before I give Tepper a total pass on this thing.