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a few years from now, on another teams message board....they will be like... Sam Darnold! That's who!

me too, given DJ is clearly a much better overall WR. Not trying to diss Robby. Robby does some things better than anyone else on the roster. But DJ is the total package. And gets no national respect.

well, that QBASE IMO wasn't based much on play/potential but more simply the math of he played QB for 2 years in college. And that sums up his QB resume. Can't say that about basically anyone else. Raw. The last team that needed to draft Darnold was the NYJ. Darnold was always doomed in NY. NFL success, especially QB success, is largely coaching/stability and fit IMO. Especially early on. The team you land with....has a lot to do with the outcome IMO.

but I'd argue it as a mix. It isn't just a surrounding cast argument. I think it is that aspect....coupled with his age and coaching. So it takes all 3 of those together to be like....yeah, we should kick the tires on Sam in Carolina. Joe Brady is going to put him in good spots with good weapons. We will just have to see how Sam looks in that scenario. Darnold was pretty raw coming to NY. Talented but raw. He needed a friendly entry to the NFL.

Because Winston was given the opportunity to play with a legit and deep supporting cast on offense. For years. And years. Sam has never been in a position to succeed. Grow. Or show what he really has. Sam pulled off 7-9 in a poo sandwich at 22. I'd like to see Sam with good weapons and coaching. We have already seen Winston in that scenario. For years.

So....business as usual I’d rather watch Joe Brady tinker with Sam than watch another season of Teddy

and I’d wager you would be a lot more entertaining to watch than Teddy Check Down Bridgewater.

Fun fact Teddy lost more games last season than Sam Darnold

When the Jets weren’t in full tank mode....Darnold got a bad Jets team to 7 wins in year 2.

Winston doesn't have "upside". He is like Teddy. He is what he is. Darnold's situation being so comically bad and being only 23 is what gives him legit upside.

would you agree that in the the last half century (50 years), the buttfumble is the most iconic and memorable moment in Jets football history?

No team is going to trade for Teddy when they know we are going to cut him.

He will be 30 this year. I'd rather just draft a RB in the later rounds.

yeah, I'm not arguing against the importance of it. But there generally are like 5 or so elite QBs in the NFL at any given time IMO. So you gotta to be able to compete while you search.

I mean, obviously, you need a QB. But you don't need Peyton Manning. An Eli can take you to the promised land. Brady IMO should just be removed from all conversations and points made. He skews everything.

IMO, 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls featured a Jake-ish QB. Once you get to the game, it's just a crapshoot IMO. I personally don't view Foles, Goff, JImmy G as better players than Jake.

I’d say Rhule and company overachieved year 1. That is his resume thus far.

Tom Brady would have sucked that alone doesn’t mean Sam will be good outside of NY but...

Team record difference aside, Eli Manning was trash. Only QB in NFL history to post comparable QBR numbers to Darnold his first 3 seasons. but was Eli ever good or just lucky in big moments. There is that

I don’t think it is given Joe Brady is a lock for a HC just because he adds one more good year to the resume. Still a pretty light NFL resume for a HC gig

Word on which one we prefer?

To @Verge’s credit, she had Darnold on our radar as someone we would want depending how things went. sounds like post 49ers trade that got speed up and more expensive. Sounds like we negotiated the picks for a bit. I would like to know if QB is still in play and not off the table come draft like the GM said

I would wager Sam could find a way to look a lot better with the cast Baker had this year and previous ones. that’s the problem, we view Cleveland as a dumpster fire. It stacks up vs NYJ as a clearly better scenario. Baker had Chubb. Hunt. Landry. OBJ for a minute. Decent TEs. Solid D. That’s a really good spot for a QB in reality. Sam was in 2nd grade when Frank Gore was drafted lol. That should be a joke. Sam was literally in 2nd grade lol. Sam not having success isn’t a Sam problem. Well, not that we know of at this point. No reason they should of sniffed a single win this year.

Tannehill was still older at his youngest ....and wasn’t playing with 37 year old RBs, no WRs in a complete shitshow. I mean if Sam had success given his situation....he would be a GOAT. Maybe the GOAT. I honestly can’t name a comparable to his scenario. I just think he is a decent gamble. But just a gamble. would have preferred cheaper but....we need some lotto tickets

He played WR and LB in high school. Not having Trevor Lawerence mechanics is kinda expected. Lawerence has been groomed since middle school.