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Yup. It's such an huge yet ignored red flag. If he could back up his current value he would have done at least the more favorable proday. Still people are simping hard the week of the draft and all I can think is that the options have fooled people into think that entire teir isn't teir 2 for a reason.

Turning around after denying a once a long career trade option to tell that same player he isn't worth the top money was the chef's kiss for me personally. I honestly belive they thought he wouldn't take those trade details to the negotiating table lol.

I don't agree. Olsen looked like a noticably quicker prospect with the same size. Olsen would go top 5 in this draft would be my guess vs 31st. He ran a 4.55 and Warren looks 4.7+ (or 4.6ish if his school did it at his proday). There is a reason he didn't work out at the combine or his proday and it's obvious. He is a solid but not great TE prospect. He only has room to lose by showing his real numbers.

Bowers was a 1st round tallent and even he didn't go top 10. Warren's speed and size will not be the positives they were in school. People have just fallen in love with a typical 2nd round TE in a draft lacking talent at the top. Even Olsen was a late 1st and he was quicker than Warren.

It explains why this team is sub .500. Get a franchise QB in 2011 and miss on every other pick. Don't agree with 2011 being 3rd but with that much yuck it's not worth arguing over.

A huge chunk of the early guys are overrated and just filling the void of top talent in this draft. Doesn't make them bad players but comparing them to other drafts is going to look like bad value. Also don't draft a RB in the 1st still....especially when this draft is loaded with RB talent later.

It's worth more than anyone available at 8. I don't care about the trade value chart with that pick. I would be happy with more but it would be enough this year for me to understand. I agree with the article that there are 2 teir 1 guys, no more. Then it's just preference for a while after that and the 2nd is way more attractive in value to talent. I have been vocal about wanting an extra 2nd this year so I'm great with that as the floor.

Best news of the offseason. I still want an extra 2nd but a 3rd would still be worth it given the options at 8. I just hope someone bites.

I was always fine with that deal but some people still use it as a negative because the haul wasn'tenough in their minds to justify trading him away. The haul was fine but it's still debated even if I agree with your take. That's why I said that one was complex and weird in my previous post. They absolutely would have blown those picks, Fritterer was our worst GM to date. Still even a broken clock and all of that.

IDK where he is health wise so a 2nd could be the moon. Being on deal with 1 year left with noncontract talks screams volumes people around here keep ignoring.

Both CMC and Burns were leaned into because they kept missing at so many other places so when it came to contracts they both got weird. CMC wasn't healthy and isn't healthy still while Burns was never a core guy because he just doesn't produce like a core guy. I never got the CMC crying. He is a beast when healthy but he isn't healthy enough and regardless we won more without him than we did the year we traded him away. RBs just don't have the value fans what to see. Even the Eagles got their RB for just cap in free agency lol. None of us have to like it but that's the value of the best backs in the game right now. The other trades were positives because they moved on and got anything they could but I agree with what you said and would add that the poor drafting just compounds it all looking worse and dysfunctional at the end. Fritterers needless trade backs for lesser talent left a hole that Rhules obliviousness to how the NFL is run started IMO.

Getting a 2nd for Moton would flip how I look at Morgan. His values are too dated and that would be a 180 IMO.

I'm more interested in an additional 2nd this year but with none it would have to be a first next year. Not a good move for them but I would take that trade this year on the Panthers end. If they were going to put Tomlin in a position to have to do a trade like that in a QB class like this they should have just fored him and let a new coach take a mulligan of a 1st year and swing for QBs hard next yyear. Already getting involved in the Rogers mess after his last stint shows how desperate and stupid they have already reached there so none of this would be surprising even if it's all dumb.

It's all so unpredictable this year. OT is a better option than any other offensive position at 8 but that teir 2 clump is so similar with their 'but's so positional value should enter the discussions where OT holds strong IMO.

I would be fine with an OT early. It would just confirm why none of those guys are under contract at this point past this year. Not idea which way all this breaks but it's wide open this year.

I don't think they have an OT under contract next year so they need to find a sense of urgency IMO. Leaning onto BC, who no team wanted this year on a real contract, at this point is a mystery to me. So many coaches have passed him over in his 5 years. So yeah take an OT and hole they can become a solid backup at least

The trade up to #1 was bad on so many levels. Maybe the trade into the first last year. Not making the Burns trade and then the trade they ended up making looks bad in comparison but not stand alone. The CMC trade could be up there but that one was complex given the Panthers situation at that time.

All of those teir 2 guys that start going in the top 5 this year will give teams a chance to show their values. The reality is that crop of guys is only different in how much the talking heads gassed some up vs others when there is so little difference but they had to talk about something else vs just making an entire draft about 2 guys and 2 meh QBs. The fact they appear to value Williams more isn't shocking IMO. Certainly anticlimactic but the first pick is going to be just that for most of the first when the 2nd round is so close in talent. A trade back is still better than any player that could be on the board at 8. It's not a lock but it would be thr best move of the night if they can pull that off. Another project when they need a pass specialist would just be par for their course.

Lol. Wasting big money on a run support safety is peak 1980s and just dumb, which this year will reveal once it's over and they fire Evero. Acting like having 1 safety that can cover anything is bad. Acting like Warren isn't also the same as the rest of the teir 2 guys is hilarious. That dude is a 2nd round TE in most drafts...just like everyone after the 2 teir 1 guys in this draft. The only offensive guys worth taking at 8 are OTs.

There won't be anyone better than a trade back at 8 but the chips have to fall in their favor. There will be an early trade and I just hope it's us.

Still meh but I would still take EZ over him at this point. Better production, skills and size who is already an established rusher vs project.

The same reason people say there is less chance of a trade due to the nature of the class are ignoring the fact that's what keeps the door open for a trade. Everyone we have been staring at and debating at 8 are not that different then the guys in the 20s this year. It only takes 1 team to fool themselves into thinking that's not true or to let need take the wheel. It already happens here. Sanders, the rb, the TE, a possible OT or hell throw Walker into that pile. There are players good enough for someone to make a mistake but not good enough to worry about losing them in a trade back. Who knows. This draft is weird. It's going to be fun to see how that shakes down. With the quality NIL has brought to that level of play this could be the new normal.

Meh, he has big upside. Worst case he is more wasted physical talent. I still prefer a trade back and an extra pick early. Lots of meh at top 10 value this year but that isn't big picture long term terrible. Just meh.

Not yet. This should be a wait and see 4th year. If he has a probelem with that we should be taking an OT early. I have no idea where it all stands but there shouldn't be a route where we don't pick up that 5th year option. He has cleared that level. I'm also not sure on the difference in pay from OK LTs to good RTs. Would he get a shot at RT in 26 under that 5th year option? Would he even want to try? IDK. Not picking up an easy 5th is a red flag for me that something is off if not a smoke screen. Which would be weird given our history, like watching a frog fly from bumping it's arse.

I used to be. Didn't like smaller WRs where Smith was the exception to hold up. Now I just want them to be balanced and run routes. Sure the other guys can work out in rotation but I'm going the former everytime. Look Ickey has to take a huee steps this year. 63ish to 66ish isn't enough of a jump. Maybe not but his 5th year option is a no brainer anyways. If not it's RT or he should become a Moerig somewhere else.