Ricky Spanish

I can't get aboard the patience for Fitt train. The fact he felt we were just a QB away from competing shows how poorly he understands and evaluates as a GM. It's been an ongoing thing ever since he was hired, throwing assets after the big score, trying to win with a lotto ticket over and over again. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with Rhule being here, but it seems that both were equally incompetent. The team is in a worse spot talent wise than we were when he was hired, and we weren't in a good spot then either. It'd be one thing if our team looked competitive and we were losing close games due to bad luck/injuries but we are getting run over week in and week out. We need a hard reset. Clean house top to bottom, GM to scouting to coaching. There's no reason the team should be as bad as they are this year, and unless some SIGNIFICANT improvement happens over the next few weeks through the bye, no one should be safe. Also, wishing for the best for you and your wife. It absolutely sucks having to watch a loved one suffer/be sick.

Bro, we have a hockey forum on here? I legitimately have never been here before, HA.

Everyone needs to see this

For those who will be at the game now and moving forward, it'd be real funny to get some Oakland A's fan energy into a "sell the team" chant. I have been one of the few it seems to be practicing patience until after the bye week, but I thought we'd have AT LEAST 1 win by then with some semblance of progress being shown week over week. Not throwing in the towel just yet, but I'm close. If we end up with the worst record in the NFL with no first round pick and this coaching staff, clean house top to bottom, hire a director of football operations, and sit the fug down and shut the fug up Tepper.

Nah, we said that if it DID happen then all hope was already lost and didn't matter if it was Ricky Lee or anyone else in his spot, the situation would just be bad.

@Cdparr7 If Ickey gets moved to LG, we might get to see your boy Ricky Lee see some snaps at LT.

I unbanned him this morning Edit: He posted, Didn't see before I responded

And who gave that second owner their power? Checkmate atheists.

Guys, look at what this team has done to you. You're out here attacking each other when the real enemy sits in his ivory tower with a pair of anatomically correct brass balls on his desk throwing good money after bad money and consistently hiring the worst people possible each time he has the chance to fix an issue. Focus the hate towards him.

I do too. Unbanned

I forgot about that. I think the question becomes, do you believe him? If so, how much blame are we willing to put at the feet of Scott Fitterrer?

I read somewhere (can't remember where don't ask me to cite it) that good coaching can really only add 2-3 wins per season. The vast majority of the wins were said to come from talent on the roster. That's not to say you wouldn't prefer to have a good coach over a bad one, but they can only do so much. As of right now, we seem to be devoid of both talent, and good coaching, so I have a few questions: In your opinion, what is the ratio of Coaching to Talent in terms of a team's overall record? Which is worse on our team, the coaching or the talent (or both equally suck)? Based on your previous response, who is at fault the most between the coaching staff and the FO?

I don't want to see this team play again for a while

He was a LG in college

had a legitimately good game yesterday. No idea if it will be sustained but he earned praise for sunday.

Very true all around, no arguments here. I will say though, Hurney was consistently drafting in the top half of the rounds where there is generally better/more talent, whereas Gettleman was consistently drafting in the back half of the rounds when there is generally less talent. Hurney still managed to find good later first round talent in Gamble and Beason. Honestly if we could have DBZ fusion'd these two together we'd have a really really good GM, instead we have Paint chip Fitt.

You're discrediting Gett's getting us Short, Bradberry, Moton, Turner, and Norwell, as well as finding solid depth/ST guys like AJ Klein, Tre Boston, Daryl Williams, and Butker. All were in the 2nd round or later. Gettleman wasn't as bad as people remember. In fact he probably drafted just as many overall "Solid" guys in 5 years as Hurney did in 15 years. So yes, Hurney gave us our best and brightest but he also gave us our worst and shittiest. It was feast or famine with Hurney, you either got a superstar or a guy who was out of the league within 3 years.* *This is post Otah trade mind you. Before the '08 draft I dare say Hurney was a GOOD GM, however the game moved past him and he kept trying to build mid 90s rosters built to run and stop the run in an age where passing was becoming king.

@TheBigKat, are you interested in putting together an ownership group?

I think it's more Chinn is good as a situational football player, but not every down because he lacks a true position. He's a defensive gadget player if you will.

Bruh, Getts drafted Starr, Shaq and CMC, two were decent to good and the other is elite. He may have been an ass but we had the most success while he was GM (3 winning records,4 playoffs in 5 seasons) Hurney is the GOATed first round drafter though. I will not argue that. It's everything else he sucked at and why we only had 3 winning seasons when he was the GM (out of 15). I have no defense for Fitts at the moment. So Hurney was the best at drafting top level talent in the first round while putting together overall dogshit rosters, Gettleman drafted semi-ok but put together solid rosters, but was a bonafide asshole, and then we have Scott Fitterer in the corner eating paint chips.

I'm starting to think the coaching staff might not be the issue when it comes to how to use Chinn...

We interviewed our D-Coordinator to be our HC.

Falcons defense is also much improved from last year. Ridder is absolute ass and it's only a matter of time before Heineke gets the nod. Once they get even mediocre QB play they will be in contention to win the division late in the season. Arthur Smith is an underrated coach.

God, I want to be cut by a NFL Franchise sooo bad.

Sander's deal is like 1/3 of the one CMC got. I don't understand how anyone is still mad at it. Be mad at the Donte contract. Be mad at the Robbie Anderson Contract. Be mad that we don't have enough talent on the roster to overpay these days. The Sanders deal is low on the totem pole of things wrong with the roster.