ForJimmy

Not saying it will work, but what if releasing Rhule is "warming up" to the idea of Sam starting was done intentionally to get the Browns to lower their asking price.

That's where the Browns finished last year and people are telling him that roster is so much better (I'm not sold on this). That's also only one less win than Herbet had with a pretty solid Chargers roster. If Baker wins 8 with this roster/staff that might be a pretty solid season.

I'm buying in on Marshall. If he can stay healthy he has all the tools. CMC is always going to say the right things but he brought up his name.

A 4th/5th round pick isn't going to move the needle to move up in the first. If there is a guy we love it will take future 1sts/2nds to move up. Baker might even give us back a higher future comp if we don't extend him.

I like everything (prefer a 5th) but the 5 year deal... Also I want to unload Darnold too. If you could adjust that I could take it to the bank. 8 wins with our schedule would be pretty solid.

Gotta love the ole golfing zombie dads

Are you talking about the Ivy League Doctorate, Valedictorian, Commercial Lawyer, best friend of Tepper that spends his nights arguing on the Huddle about how great Tepper is? He seems legit...

Cut his ass!!!!

Look at Luke being all sassy with his hands on his hip.

They typically make a new thread when actual news breaks.

I don't think Grier or PJ were meant to be starters. Pat Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson etc didn't start week one and came in later in the season as a starter. It's what the NIners are trying to do with Lance, the Titans with Willis.

There are also more examples and players starting right away on bad teams and becoming "busts" than players who sit and are developed by their staff before they see the field.

If they think Corral needs a year it gives them a decent starter to help the offense gel, get the fans excited and help get our team competitive again. Again this would all be for MINOR draft capital and little salary taken on by us. There is also a very small chance Baker could click in our system better than the Browns. He has some arm talent, basically a Sam Darnold scenario with a much higher floor.

I agree with pretty much everything you just posted. I just think our current QB (Sam) makes our team/offense significantly worse. So adding a QB that doesn't would make our team significantly better than before by default.

Mahomes sat. I think it kind of depends on the offense they ran in college.

If we pay more of Darnold's it would be essentially acquiring Baker for whatever that amount is plus our late pick. If we keep Sam that money is a sunk cost anyway (assuming we don't see him as a potential QB).

I'm looking at the team he took to the playoffs end results versus our roster. Any injuries to our future roster would be an unknown (yes CMC would be an educated guess). My point is that roster (2020 Browns) had many injuries and he wasn't being carried by some All Star team that season. A rookie LT on a good OL with one solid WR for less than half the season and a good RB. Hooper was their top TE with 46 catches for 435 yards and 4 TDs. Is that 1000x better than what McAdoo can do with Baker throwing to Tremble or Thomas? I'm not sure about that.

So I mid/late pick and Darnold?? If we both are paying the same amount of our QB's contract, why not just trade them?

OBJ was only there for 7 games in 2020 and Chubb missed several (2). Njoku has talent but hands that are like Ginn (it also looks like he only started 5 games that year, Hooper was their 1). Landry is a good slot but he isn't some elite WR. The OL is definitely the difference. He had a good OL with Landry as his number 1 for over half the season and Willis was a rookie at LT. I'm not saying we will have a top 10 OL, but we have a top rookie LT also with a great RT and added some solid pieces in Bozeman and Corbett. The 2020 Browns roster isn't light years ahead of ours IMO. Here is a breakdown of that Brown's roster with games started and stats https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2020_roster.htm

I don't think he is great. I think he is a solid mid-level QB with some upside. I'd rank him around Kurt Cousins maybe? Stronger arm, but will make more mistakes. The Falcons traded Matt Ryan to try to acquire Watson as well. Watson has the ability and has been in the past a top 5 QB in this league. He elevated the talent around him in Houston like very few QBs can do. They made that move because it was a big upgrade to go from mid-level QB to top tier franchise QB. Kind of like it would be a big jump for us to go from worst QB in the league to mid-level QB. I don't want to give up high picks or take on his full contact, but for a decent deal then I'd be all for it. When you try to trade a player this time of year you aren't going to get full market value. Most teams were set at QB before this draft because many believe these rookie QBs weren't ready to start right away.

He only got a good coach in year 3 and 4. Hugh and Kitchen were there before that. He couldn't hit OBJ (according to you) so where is all of this other talent that made him so great? Landry who was a FA until like mid/late May this year? Their TE?? Chubb was solid, but CMC is pretty good too right? They had Garrett on defense and a decent CB in Ward. I just don't think that Browns team was as "loaded" as everyone thinks. They were solid, but we definitely have some pieces here as well. Plus OBJ only played in like 7 games and Chubb missed time as well.

Fair point. He looked good his rookie year with Hugh as his coach (I think). Had a sophomore slump where he threw way too many INTS but also lost his coach midseason (not 100% on the year this happened going on memory). Got their new coach in 2020 and looked great then got hurt last year and still was ok..

He played just fine when he was healthy in 2020. 26 TDs 8 INTs 63% completion and took the Browns to the playoffs for the first time in forever. Hell even last year's number where better than Darnold has ever shown and he did that with one shoulder for part of the year. If he is a "marginal" upgrade over Sam he will commit career suicide anywhere he goes. He is a middle of the pack QB with some upside if he can get his attitude under control. Also OBJ is on his 3rd team by age 29. He is a good WR, but let's not act like he wasn't part of the problem.

Unless Fitt thinks he could be the guy depending on how he plays. He also may give Corral time to develop while keeping the team competitive (yes I know you don’t like him sitting, but it’s not uncommon for coaches to do this). He could also help develop players like Marshall and Tremble by having a competent QB throwing them passes. There are some pros/cons to signing him. The main thing is don’t overpay him or give away much to acquire him.