Proudiddy

Bro. Perspective. How old is Melo right now? Now how old were all the other guys you mentioned when they started being who they became? Kemba took YEARS to develop into the player he became, and I love me some Kemba. Melo is barely 20. 10 years ago, he would probably still be in college or just out of it. And he's already made all-star teams, logged multiple triple doubles as a teenager, and set a few records for stats achieved at the youngest age.= or damn near close to it (several of which he's at the top with Lebron). Again, he is a guy that other players want to play with. HE has the respect of some of the best in the league, and not just flash in the pan best, but some of the greatest talents of the last few generations like LeBron and Giannis. Ball is the franchise. He needs to be here and they need to bring in the pieces around him, especially if he wants them, to help him succeed. Otherwise, youre going to be right back on this forum in 5 years ruminating on how we pissed away one of the great NBA talents for nothing as he wins an NBA Championship with the Lakers or Knicks or Heat, because our fans took him for granted and our team fuged it up like they usually do. Relax.

Why tf was dude attempting to tackle anyway?

Derek Carr, draft a guy where we're comfortable taking one. Carr, rookie, Corral, and Darnold go into camp.

I actually thought about Kafka earlier in the season before i ever heard his name being mentioned, and I didn't even realize he had been with the Chiefs. I remember watching him in college and being impressed with his play... not in like a, "OMG, this guy is a superstar!" kind of way, but more like a "this guy is cerebral, tough, and a leader who makes something out of nothing" type way, and I wondered if it would translate to the pros. But I will say, sometimes I get a bit wary of OCs under former superstar OCs turned HCs, like Kafka under Daboll. Like how much of that playcalling and scheme is Kafka versus Daboll's? I just don't see OCs who become HCs going completely hands-off on what they know best and excel at.

Agree with your sentiment here, but I want to point out, as I pounded the table saying back in Gettleman's tenure here, he really won with Hurney's core. He supplemented it with some incredible bargain bin buys and that's what rounded the team out... and IMO, both your stars and the supporting cast are important for their own reasons, but the stars are more important because that's the bulk of your production. Hurney left Gettleman with Cam, Olsen, Smitty, Luke, TD, Norman, etc. That 2015 team doesn't sniff 7-9 without Cam. Period. All that being said, if we could've found a GM who had the proper balance between the two - Hurney's ability to hit on every first rounder with a huge impact while not being an asshole, and Gettleman's ability to find value for bottom dollar in FA. Ultimately, Gettleman hurt us a lot more than he helped us. Had he had the networking skills of Hurney or even Fitt and had swung a deal for some legit protection for Cam and not wasted a pick on KB's worthless fat ass, Cam is likely still playing at near-prime level right now, and our Superbowl window is still open. I often say it, but Gettleman shut our Superbowl window almost as quickly as it opened with his shrewd, disrespectful, and arrogant behavior while he was here, paired with his shitty drafting. But anyway... lol, I agree with you about not going off player's recommendations. There are personal relationships built in that locker room that may or may not cloud one's ability to judge what is actually best for a team moving forward. Also, worth noting, a lot of guys making those vouches right now may very well not be here in 6 months.

NGL, I actually thought Turner called a really good game while here. Norv and Scott had a post-shoulder injury Cam completing almost 70% of his passes in good rhythm prior to the infamous TJ Watt hit IIRC.

I got the vibe that his consideration of retirement was strictly because he is just tired of the coaching grind. Therefore, I don't think trading for him is an option, but it's a cool dream.

Damn @ Corbett. NGL, Mays has a chance to steal a job early.

But will Tepper give her the ol' 5 finger in the crack, exaggerated ass grab at the hiring presser this time around?

I dint have any problem calling a guy out or giving up on him when it's clear he isn't going to develop or just isn't good... I dont feel that way with TMJ at all. It's tough to talk about stats considering the dysfunction offensive system that he, and all the other offensive guys have played under for the last 2+ years. It's kind of hard to judge what he should or could have done, just as it is with all the other guys who have played in it. Darnold and Baker looked like they shouldn't even be in the league after playing in this offense under Rhule - both have looked very different and at least NFL-caliber since he was fired. I think that's important to consider in any evaluation of talent at this point. What we know is that TMJ has impressive physical skills and measureables. We also have seen evidence that he knows how to use them - his route running is VERY impressive for his size, and he also had begun to be featured as a high-point-ball guy once he emerged from the doghouse when Rhule was fired. Everyone who has been at TC the last two years has spoke glowingly of how he has performed there, so again, we know the ability is evident, and unlike a guy like Shi, who I was high on for the last two preseasons, TMJ has actually produced some big plays when it mattered, REPEATEDLY. So I'm holding onto hope for his future. I think he could take a huge leap next year... that doesn't mean we don't acquire any other talent at the position, but just that TMJ should definitely be in the fold going forward. I'm very hopeful and excited about what he can do with an extended opportunity.

I fell asleep at some point during the 2nd quarter. First time I've done so in many, many, many years... I saw BC's injury, but never heard an update. Then when I woke uo in the 4th, I heard the announcers say Corbett went out with a knee injury but i didnt see it.. I really hope neither is too serious.

Damn straight. If we trade up for Stroud, I wouldn't be upset. But if we we sit where we are or trade back for Richardson or Hooker, I will be much happier with that pick plus keeping our assets.

I really do love me some Wilks, and all things considered, what he did in the final 12 games is nothing short of amazing. I still want an OC, but I feel bad for even saying that. Wilks deserves to be a HC in the NFL, but I just don't want the conservative stuff we've endured for almost 30 years for another 3-5 years.

That was an unbelievably shitty play.

Turf strikes again. BC's foot got caught on the turf as Chubba was tackled into his leg.

Both very average.

I honestly think it's still angst from Rhule's time here combined with the shitty offseason the Hornets put together. Hiring back a loser coach we fired, punting the 13th pick, and signing no one really stunk things up for the fanbase. Then Rhule destroying the culture and running our football franchise into the ground while being brought back for a 3rd srason he shouldn't have even sniffed because we all knew he was in over his head... Us as fans, knowing both our football and basketball teams were going into shitty seasons because of shitty leadership and piss poor decisions by our front offices really bubbled up a ton of apathy, anger, and venom towards our teams. A lot of our respective fanbases have never felt more hopeless. I think that's where it's coming from.

Was Burns injured?

I think this "lacks killer instinct" stuff and "good, not great," and "solid #2" lacks some serious perspective. Was Magic the killer MJ and Kobe were? Could he have won a championship with the supporting cast Melo had had? Absolutely not. What about LeBron? Nope. He is a top-tier NBA superstar. A lot of people are jumping to these proclamations in a season in which our dumbass organization hired the coach they previously fired, in part for his archaic offense and outlook on the game, as well as his lack of meaningful development of young players during his time here previously. A season which we were blindsided by Miles DV case which resulted in our second best player, a borderline, burgeoning all-star caliber player, being absent from the team, likely for the season. A season in which Melo has been injured twice for a significant amount of time. A season in which the team essentially threw their hands up in the offseason after the Miles issues, and did nothing but punt a lottery pick for nothing, draft a big that'll rarely ever play or develop under the retread coach they brought back, and then signed scraps off the heap that were left the month before the season started. So, what exactly did you expect him to do with this roster, coach, and loser ass organization we have on a season in which they chose not to compete? You should be grateful to have him, imo, because it's one of those things where you don't know what you have until it's gone. Melo is charismatic, a young star, and the straw that stirs the drink kind of guy who other players love to play with... you want him here. Now, if we could just get the talent around him to allow him to fully play to his potential. And don't hold your breath for Victor W... even if we finish dead last, the NBA is not giving us that top pick. It'll be another Anthony Davis situation. They'll find another franchise that has a more favorable FO and coach in place where he'll get more exposure. And finally, look at Giannis' and Lebron's history with Melo. That tells you all you need to know about what his peers consider him. He needs fuging help. Period.

Isn't Marc also the guy that said Tepper loved Demeco Ryan's a week ago?

I hope they do, and that would be the perfect hire. Also hope they do it to further validate Brian Flores. Ross is a fuging imbecile.

Him and Steph are the two guys I have proudly cited that in each of their drafts, before they took place, I said I would trade whatever capital was required to move up and get them, and I still stand by that, obviously.

Careful walking around with that Hot Take there, bro.

Man this world is full of idiots. No reason for Tee to feel any responsibility or guilt on what was a very routine play for any given football game when the injury occurred. I keep thinking back, for further reference of just how crazy the game is and how rare that injury is, is the fact I remember when Steve McNair got hit and broke his fuging sternum. Like how would that not have caused something like this? And yet it didn't. Or like Mo Lewis' hit on Bledsoe that started the Brady Era. He hit him in the chest and literally almost killed him (i believe from internal bleeding)... but it didn't cause cardiac arrest. Yet, this play was very mild compared to all of them, but again, if it was commotio cortis, it was the timing in which the impact happened withing Hamlin's heartbeat cycle. Their odds of what happened actually happening were probably smaller than being struck by lightning... just a very unlucky situation to find themselves in. And yet, very lucky it happened when it where it did for Hamlin.

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