frankw

CRA you're losing me advocating for continuing to pay a running back top money while discarding a 25 year old pass rusher and one of the most talented players at his position. Panthers fans drag him through the mud but if he has no value as some here insinuate why are teams eager to acquire his services? Reddick is soon to be 29 years old. Talented pass rusher sure but limited and just as Panthers fans did in his lone season here they would have kept complaining about his ability against the run the same as they have about Burns. The difference is Burns has years worth of growth ahead of him.

Reddick didn't want to be here he wanted to go to a contender he was unhappy in the last weeks of his season with us why do people keep omitting key details? If we trade Burns instead of Moore we're limited to chasing aging pass rush vets at best and then our defense can't get off the field. There's no easy quick path in this no matter how many do overs you might want to daydream about.

Honestly he is overrated by this fanbase.

The Eagles win bc they are stacked on both sides around Reddick. You guys are trolling acting like Reddick was going to be a season saving force here.

Unfortunately we can't get to pick 1 without one of those players being removed from the picture. The Bears weren't going to budge without Moore in the deal and we never won more than 5 games with McCaffrey despite his substantial salary cap hits. QB and pass rush are the 1a/1b premium targets by any franchise looking to become competitive.

Reddick plays on one of the most stacked defenses in the league. People here frequently complained about how terrible he was against the run too. It's absurd to act as if either player is flawless. But Reddick is soon to be 29 and Burns is only 25. His story is still yet to be written as is his ultimate ceiling in this league.

Bosa money means Bosa results. I'm pro Burns but even I know he isn't on that level. He could be. But this is on the front office and Fitterer. They signaled to Burns he's the golden goose when they turned down the trade. Should have swallowed their pride and ironed out a deal weeks ago.

Right so letting this drag on days before the season opener is buffoonery.

Exactly. And now looking at our depth there removing Brian Burns from the equation there is no way on this earth the same folks in favor of the trade would keep quiet for 17 games while our pass rush gets abused left and right. We've all seen the gameday threads.

Fitterer needs to get this sorted out. He's already going to be getting some harsh looks when reality smacks us in the head about our OL and WR depth. Can't piss off your best pass rusher too.

Oh no for sure if we made the trade every pick would be an elite level NFL player out of the gate and require little to no time to develop. Also in the meantime while we are waiting on those first round picks none of the people in favor of the trade would ever complain about our lack of pass rush when we're losing games because every mediocre to average QB carves us up since he has enough time in the pocket to make himself lunch.

Have you seen the QB's in this conference? Stafford Hurts Cousins and even Carr are the standouts? Woof. It isn't going to take much to get into the playoffs this year. Which is why I'm rolling my eyes at the Panthers brass saying they need more time.

That's your perspective because you want those picks. You knock Fitterer for his decision making but you also want to entrust him with not potentially wasting said picks and locating our replacement for Burns which looking at our drafts the last few years is a tall order honestly bordering on fantasy. Burns or no Burns we need to draft better and people need to stop thinking Fitterer is some mastermind in his own tier amongst his peers.

The NFC is historically weak. Unless the Rams are ravaged with injuries they will likely be competing for a playoff spot. I'm not high on Fitterer right now either but if we had traded Burns those picks we can't do anything with right now would not make me feel any better. Because the issue is we aren't even drafting all that well either.

I don't get the complaining about negativity angle. Social media in all forms is a sea of negativity. Unplug and ditch your smartphone if you don't like it.

Really not any different from the Hurney years but still people hype him up. After all the "Finesserer" circle jerks it turns out we're the ones getting finessed more often than not.

I mean obviously losing an all time GOAT hurts. I don't disagree BB is overrated. But as far as the NFL goes it's a QB league. Until you find that guy you are just stuck in the mud doesn't matter who is coaching. IDGAF if the Patriots suck for the next several decades it's fine with me. I just want my Panthers to get their act together and stop being the butt of jokes.

Fitterer can go take a look at the list of the other QB's in our conference and sing his sad song about low expectations to other teams in the NFC and they'll laugh their ass off. This is the most wide open I've seen it in years. Who's the non AFC QB that's going to keep defensive players and coaches up at night? If the Panthers aren't competing it will be due to plain old fashioned incompetence.

Even if I'm being a homer and think BB hasn't done jack poo since Brady left I can't overlook the fact our drafts overall the last few years have been not too good. There isn't a striking difference from some of the Hurney drafts despite the hype Fitterer has received. I'm sincerely hoping that changes with this years draft class though.

Yet some folks here will still be shining Scott Fitterer's shoes for him.

I'll definitely check in down the line to see how he's doing. As of now what an L on that trade.

Even if Burns did hold out I couldn't blame him. We need to get this done and not drag it into the season.

As weak as the NFC and the division has become we better win at least 7 or 8 games. No excuses.

You don't hire someone as your head coach because you want to do them a favor. That's certainly no better than Tepper and Hurney falling in love with Matt Rhule over meatballs. And if you are going to cite unstable ownership as the reason it was unfair one candidate was fired while overlooking whatever the hell Jim Irsay is doing in Indianapolis. Well you don't have a leg to stand on.