frankw

We need to try to actually draft the next qb if we can't get Watson. The bringing back Cam talk hits in all the right feels but deep down you know how it's going to end just like going back to an ex. We'll always have those memories in the form of highlights.

If we've already "re-engaged" multiple times you can hardly say that's the final nail. Saying now they weren't offering CMC seems like another face saving attempt. What I gather from this whole saga isn't anything particularly good. Our big decision makers seem to change course on a whim and if you look at the pattern of how they handled the situation with Newton and Bridgewater publicly this all fits with that dysfunction. It is what it is

You are absurdly sensitive. CMC can't stay healthy. It's only a matter of time before the team faces options as they become more desperate for a quality quarterback. If this discussion cuts you that deep it may be best to avert your eyes.

The writing has been on the wall. Some just refuse to see it because of their emotional attachment.

Way too many cold shooting streaks out there it's finally catching up to us. Need Terry Rozier back.

For us or our opponents? For the last month we've been the weekly get right game for four different teams two of which only had a single win at the time. NYG had been blown out by the Rams the week before and Daniel Jones had zero td's and 3 interceptions. And we got stomped by that team missing multiple starters. The team culture can't get much lower than that.

He's always been turnover prone. He had 36 in 27 games at USC. That has clearly followed him to the nfl unfortunately and it is biting us here now. The connection to the fans isn't the issue taking care of the ball is.

Eight turnovers in four games is a big part of the issue. If you've got a problem with that talk to Sam.

We have visual evidence of his inability to see the field in the horrific interceptions he has thrown with time and other options. When was the last time he completed a deep pass? Week one?

When people see the same mistakes there will always be comparisons and complaints. It happened with Rivera too and he got way more grief from this fanbase. It's too early to start being dramatic about this only a handful of folks want Rhule to be fired.

7 winning seasons. It's always been this way. This isn't a perennial contender year in and year out and until that changes this is what you get it's no different for other franchises in similar circumstances.

Forget Dak Prescott Darnold couldn't even outperform Daniel Jones with most of his offense out with injury.

And suddenly this guy needs a mentor? Back in August many were saying he didn't even need preseason reps. Man there is being wrong and then there is just straight up faceplanting.

What exactly is your definition of a bust? Favre was taken in the second round and was in two games for the Falcons. Jake was undrafted. Steve Young and Kurt Warner? Come on.

Three games? Kyle Allen was successful longer than that. Teddy Bridgewater lost CMC last year too but we weren't getting blown out by the likes of the Giants even he still kept us competitive more often than not he just had zero clutch in him. Hey if you want to convince yourself Sam is still going to somehow morph into a franchise qb more power to you but it's not reality.

This thread went from having hope to just off the rails with Mahomes and Kaepernick. Darnold has never been a good starting qb and you can rattle off the names of any other quarterback but the truth remains.

I appreciate your Trading Places reference but my goodness can we please stop with this. Sam Darnold is playing the same way he has going all the way back to USC.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry but this is true. That final play against the Eagles he took the snap blinked and threw a rocket into triple coverage and the game was over. That is Sam Darnold and it isn't going to change unfortunately.

Sadly all you need to do is put on the horror show that is three years of the good and bad of Sam Darnold as a NY Jet to figure out which party is liable. We have moved on from blaming their staff to now our own and everyone in between. Enough is enough.

His processing and decision making is what it is and has always been. He is a fourth year starter. Now is the time for progress not going in the other direction full speed. He got pulled out of the game for PJ Walker and he was outclassed by Daniel Jones who is also not on a good football team. The odds of this working out were not good from the beginning but now it is sheer desperation to still be hoping he will turn into a franchise qb.

I don't think he is or necessarily should go anywhere just yet unless the team gives up the rest of the season. But the mess we sit in is all of his own creation. There are also things about Rhule that really do not help him in the sense of building for something bigger in the future. One of the first things he did here was get into a public spat with the only former mvp in franchise history and then sent him packing so he could get his own guy in here. Well he's gotten the guy he's wanted twice now and both have resulted in catastrophe. I think most fans can take the losing if we are competitive and our qb is decent enough. But this skid and only mustering 3 points against one of the worst teams in the league with all the investments we have made in the roster is not part of a rebuild that's just ugly and historically bad football. Even if we want to place some blame on Joe Brady for being in over his head how much can we really blame him? He didn't hire himself. Rhule is going to have to realize he needs some nfl experience on this staff if he wants to make it for the long haul.

Rhule already knew what PJ was though and he made no effort to look at another option because he didn't want to hurt Sam's feelings. That's the part that stings. We handcuffed ourselves for a QB who had yet to actually earn or prove anything in the NFL.

How dare you not include Sam's five rushing touchdowns!

The Giants game last Sunday pretty clearly indicates we still are and that's thanks in large part to the current decision makers

It doesn't have to be perfect but at least the Hornets are competitive and can win with different players. I like this group. We'll be even better when Terry returns.