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Steep price. But you've got to pay to play. As much as I like this trade it still leaves Dan Morgan basically having to navigate a flawless draft for the defense. That's the part where my skepticism is heightened.

I think this is a much easier convo in February. Ultimately we both know that come next fall none of us are going to be wanting to hear any of this if our defense is still giving up a ton of points and people are calling for Evero's head. As it is people myself included are already expecting Canales to take a more hands on approach to the whole team not just the offense in 2025. But I am on board with you about BPA at pick 8. I can't speak for others but I don't think we are "set" at any position. We shouldn't feel like we have to fix everything in one offseason. But we also have to acknowledge that the defense is not even mediocre at this point and we just invested well over 100 million free agency dollars in the offense.

This is true. But there is a learning curve for the position regardless and only rare ones begin to put it together in their first season and that's in ideal circumstances which obviously were not present here. But there is the additional layer of Tremble is set to be an FA and Ian Thomas should be gone although we all know better than to assume on that too much. Warren is an intriguing prospect. I'm just of the opinion if we go offense at 8 it only ups the ante that much more to see immediate big time results from Bryce and Canales. Because that's a premium pick that could be going to the defense.

30 seconds of research would tell him we are not drafting a TE at 8th overall after fielding a defense that has given up the most single season points in history.

Hard pass.

Didn't initially realize Mack is even older than Clowney. Fug this noise. The only way we are elevating this defense again is through the draft. Morgan either sinks or swims.

He complains to no end about haters but this man fully went on a milk carton for a week after the Cowboys loss. Didn't even stick around for the second half. It's hilarious.

No amount of hallucinogens would make him want to play here.

So is this baseless speculation or did they actually hear this from an inside source?

Does anyone actually believe Garrett Wilson is available for trade for anything less than a first round pick?

Fun thread to revisit. Of course CamWhoaaCam wanted to throw the bag at him

I remember I think it was I want to say around the time maybe right after the Bengals or the Bears loss but Helene had just hit and people across NC were struggling hard and he used the moment in a press conference to complain about losing a boat that I imagine was insured anyways. At the time I thought it was in bad taste but looking at it now that was just a glimpse into his state of mind. Self absorbed to the max.

At first glance it's a baffling trade to say the least. Even if the Mavs were concerned about his conditioning and injuries he's still only 25 years old. The Mavs haven't been known to be a poorly run org. That is not to say they are right or wrong here. But there's got to be more than they are letting on about. This will be interesting to revisit in a few years.

How is what you're doing helping anything to quell any toxicity? You did this same routine all throughout last offseason and then we opened the season with two of the worst Panthers games in nearly 3 decades and then you promptly slunk away. Maybe we should all just take a chill pill and remember we root for the Carolina Panthers? I don't expect them to be bad next season but I also don't just automatically expect greatness either. If they are to make progress it's going to be gradual and we will all have to be patient. But if we see stinker games then we need to call it as we see it.

It is not hyperbole to say that at one point last season what had arguably the worst QB room in the league. Entering the season with virtually no changes to that room is a big risk and honestly a slap in the face to the fanbase. The worst thing the Panthers can do is sit on their hands and run it back. That's my opinion. If you don't agree cool no problem.

If you want a veteran QB you can get one younger for the money. Dalton looked horrendous once teams got some tape on him after that Raiders game. He is terrible. Idk why this is something that needs to be debated now. We all saw it with our own eyes.

This "mentor" angle is ridiculous. Bryce Young doesn't need a mentor he's a first overall pick entering his third season. Even beyond that the simple fact is Andy Dalton is simply not a good QB and he's at the tail end of his career. You bring in a young QB or a younger vet for the same level of investment. This really isn't difficult.

It's a waste of time to engage with Stingray. He's made his feelings on Cam Newton extremely transparent already in the past. Any take he has regarding Cam should be disregarded because he plainly just doesn't like Newton which is his right to feel that way and have that personal opinion but he definitely confuses that with having credibility in assessing Cam as a player. Anyone that can type the bolded below and be serious has absolutely no leg to stand on in these discussions. Go shitpost somewhere else.

Can't believe all these years later folks still harbor animosity like this toward him even bringing up the extremely dead beaten horse that was him wearing the towel on his head. Hey I'll tell you straight up bud give me the sore loser that is legitimately livid after a loss 10 times out of 10 over the guys who just laugh it up and move on. Cam got endless grief for trying to change the pitiful culture here. Wild.

It's honestly wild how gambling is so effortless and trendy and intertwined with social media now. And connected directly to sports leagues that used to go way out of their way to not remotely give any vague semblance of impropriety. The only thing I'm surprised about is that this doesn't happen more often. But then again maybe we just haven't heard about things yet to be uncovered. I have to imagine in the coming years we will certainly hear more about things like this.

Exactly. But at the end of the day one play is one play. The Panthers were still in that game late. They just picked the absolute worst time to have their worst game of the season. It was a collective loss. Sh*t happens. It's in the past. Only numbskulls hone in on the fumble in a vacuum.

Sounds good to me now let's get him some talent to work with.

I can certainly agree with that. If it's just a singular factor that's one thing. But it seems to me we've definitely weighed more into it than we should and that started with Fitterer and to this point from my POV has continued under Morgan. I mean let's not forget that Fitterer has had some of the worst overall drafts in franchise history even in comparison to Hurney which is really saying something. As hopeful and optimistic as we are and want to be this time of year there really has not been much change in the approach and the scouting department from all that still remains intact. As important as this draft is for Dan it is more importantly a defining moment for the Panthers as a franchise for the next several years. It's the either the beginning of something really good or just more of the same.

I like Morgan a great deal from a personal standpoint for plainly obvious reasons but as the lead talent evaluator of this team I have become tired of this trope already. Ditch the RAS bullshit. Ditch the need to cling to feel good stories about prospects who have connections to the Carolinas and focus instead on who the best prospect is regardless of background or college they played for. Ditch the cliche tough guy tropes. Stop trying to think you're the smartest guy in the room and that you and only you see things 31 other GM's supposedly don't. Just draft good healthy(!) football players.

The race element can't just be removed sadly. It was present often throughout those years. And to your point about "down South" I will have to point out from my own personal experience the only person I ever encountered who openly used a racial slur in reference to Cam Newton was a Canadian Patriots fan after that Monday night game. I like Jake Delhomme a lot. Both as a player and as a person. But if there is a hypothetical scenario where you have to pick one or the other in their prime and someone picks Jake I would have to question if they're playing with a full deck. Many years from now people will realize how much Cam did for future generations of QB's.