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Ultimately sounds like a signing that would be a slight upgrade over what we already had in Ian Thomas. I'd probably just be more interested in giving the young TE's those touches.

We saw the true Andy Dalton against the Commanders and the Bears. Let's also not forget that. The issue with any of those worst case scenarios you mention is that if any of that happens any chance at our young roster developing in a critical year goes out the window because they are not going to develop with Andy and they certainly aren't going to develop with whichever UDFA QB we have on the roster at QB3. The Panthers took a gamble. The bed has already been made. All we can do is hope it works out.

Pretty much anything and everything remotely critical said about the Panthers in some way or another leads back to Bryce hate in your mind.

I wouldn't be opposed to weighing it as an option but I don’t agree with presenting it as a major missed opportunity if we don't. Upon reading some comments on Reddit from fans of his recent teams he basically makes virtually no effort to block and does not like contact. The plus side is he will have some big games but then eventually completely disappear. All in all sounds like the quintessential Panthers TE.

Icky is going to get paid big regardless. All we can do is hope he will slam the door on any lingering doubts this season.

My issue really isn't about Dalton's phsyical ability at this point. Although it should be noted the fact we've had to bring him in for a hail mary attempt is comical. As far as teaching Bryce the basics of carrying himself as a QB that's fine. However that should be pretty well wrapped up by now in year 3. In the decision making department though...ehhhh. I'd rather not see much of Dalton rubbing off on Bryce Young all homerism aside. There was some discussion about dropping a mid or late rounder on a QB but it didn’t come to fruition and maybe it was for the best. Some people viewed it as either an unnecessary use of resources or not helpful to Bryce's comfortability. There was validity to either viewpoint. But someone has to be right and someone has to be wrong. We'll just have to revisit this in the fall. Hopefully the offense is developing and it's not something that will be a relevant subject. But as we know with our Panthers it's usually not that cut and dry. But I'm going to try and have faith in Canales and company until they give me reason not to.

I'm bummed about losing PJ Hall. I hope he doesn't come to make us regret that. But this is the Hornets we're talking about.

Ultimately I think this boils down to a difference in personal perception of the situation. And also simple rationalizing because it's still July. I mean let's go back to Cam's rookie season. Anderson was 28. Clausen was still on the roster he was 24. We've basically had Tommy Pickles and his Grandpa Lou Pickles at QB 1 and QB 2 and people are coming at me like I'm unreasonable. Which amuses me. I hope we can at least agree a thumb sprain (lol) was just an excuse to get Andy back on the bench.

Just so we're on the same page. Derek Anderson in his very last season in the league when he was washed beyond comprehension he was 35 years old. That was 2018. Andy Dalton will be 37 in October.

Just to be completely clear. From a general average team standpoint I would concur in most circumstances. The issue is that isn’t us. If we were a vaguely competitive team that at least made the playoffs from time to time it would be one thing. We're just hoping to not be a doormat right now. So when we make no attempt to even kick the tires with anyone else and bring back Dalton on a sweetheart deal whom the last image of that we have in our heads is he and the offense getting absolutely torn to pieces by the Commanders and the very lowly Bears. Any positivity I can work up is going to be really miniscule at best. At the end of the day the best cure for being bad is the passage of time. It's not fresh in anyone's mind anymore. It's the offseason. But no matter how offended some people might be by these inconvenient truths now in just a few short months the daggers will be back out sooner or later. Anyone who's read a gameday thread here knows this.

It's only summer league. But you gotta start somewhere. I'm just glad to see the culture of the franchise finally beginning to shift.

We can't ever reach an end to this conversation because you keep reverting back to a perceived view that I am "blaming" him. For what exactly? Losing? That's not true. I am where CRA is on this. Correctly acknowledging Thielen's clear limitations and our clear past emphasis on trying to build a passing offense around him that resulted in the literal worst ranked passing offense is the result of decisions made by the front office. Any "blame" lies there. I do not blame Adam Thielen for taking the money and milking it for all it's worth. Twice. Again. That's on our front office. All I can do is hope that Canales is planning on throwing everything he can at the young receivers. It is critical we do not waste the opportunity for their development in what will in all likelihood be another losing season barring a miracle. Ultimately I get the sense your hardline position and unwillingness to let this go to the point you are repeatedly talking about lack of IQ and calling people dumb (very familiar behavior in this day and age) is being fueled by past conversations in other subforums. As such this only continues to get uglier. So there's no need to go any further.

Yet you keep coming back here running to his defense. He has a wife already doesn't he?????

The wording is confusing. The onus is on the moving parts and not the main piece at the center of it all? He hasn't earned that benefit yet. When he has an elite season then we can talk.

Things like this were always an inevitability. It's up to the front office and the scouting staff to stop blowing drafts. If this makes it all the more consequential then honestly I view it as a good thing. Warm that seat up even more.

This place is tame af compared to the majority of the rest of the internet. But what you see now is a direct effect of all the losing. The Tepper's really have nearly killed this franchise. That cannot be understated.

I have no expectations for tonight. As long as the young guys continue to hustle their asses off the future is bright win or lose.

If you build it. They will come.

What's truly bizarre is folks trying to bully others for actually attempting to apply standards to a franchise with no back to back winning seasons no playoffs in going on 8 years and the worst win percentage in professional sports the last several years. You keep on fighting the good fight

Brother let's hope he doesn't even have half that many yards. The last thing we need to do is be trying to force him the ball to justify what we paid him. This season should be about the young players emerging. P.S. thanks for the poo spam. Clearly you like older veterans. Which is ironic considering all the talk in the past about Ron Rivera and his vets.

Were you around in the mid 2000's? We used to have regular other team posters here who would give people a ribbing some lighthearted and some out and out shitposters. There was an entire subforum dedicated to it at one point it got so contentious. It was called Smack Central. I'm guessing you would have been one of the folks calling for them to be banned lol.

And yet. Gardner Minshew at 36.

There it is! Now just waiting on the details....