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That play wasn't a good example. Icky is looking horrible. But he has had a tendency to hold the ball too long and that's where his number of fumbles enters the equation. Beyond the neverending arguments about Bryce Young I think we should all be able to agree this oline is ass and that's on Scott Fitterer.

Unfortunately that definitely goes both ways (heyooo)

Yeah Icky is pretty bad. It sucks.

Ironically a defensive minded head coach too. Though the QB he and his front office selected has the high end arm talent to keep defenses honest and open up their offense.

I'm pretty sure just about every Panthers fan here knows the harsh lesson on why you don't run your QB like Jerome Bettis.

Yeah McCaffrey as a receiver is a match-up nightmare. But Shanahan knows how to spread the ball around when it's time. Unlike us through multiple coaches.

Generally I don't bother them except the ones who make it their mission to hall monitor threads. Like when they complain about the content in gameday threads but keep coming back. It's like hey just close your browser app and go outside problem solved.

Derrick Henry is a monster. But unfortunately he's stuck on a team with what has become mediocre coaching and horrible QB play by Ryan Tannehill. I imagine if you swapped him and McCaffrey on the 49ers he would be in MVP talks too.

My dog just decided for the first time it would be great to randomly roll around in wet dog poo so I'm guessing that's an omen for what the Panthers are about to do in Miami.

I definitely hear where you're coming from on this. But the problem with the notion of actually legitimately tanking the last few years is Fitterer can't draft to save his life. It always goes back to Tepper. He hires the worst people.

Have another on us Mr. Torrance.

This is a good example of how not all passing thoughts that go through your head at 5 am need their own thread Also. Too late. We're already the new Browns.

I can respect your resolve. Not going to bash you just for being optimistic. I will say however I do not follow how anyone can look at Scott Fitterer’s resume here and say "I'm a fan of that can I have some more". He's below Marty Hurney at this point and whew buddy that's saying plenty. We need a fresh start.

ForJimmy you know I like you brother but if Bryce Young's arm were the same level as Burrow we wouldn't be having some of these uncomfortable conversations. Can he get there someday? Hey I hope.

That's what we've been dealing with all along and why these complaints about "haters" are falling on deaf ears for many. Back before the draft I had one poster in particular with a Bryce Young avatar who would spend their day digging through posts I made that they deemed too critical spamming poo reactions. They rarely post now. Go figure.

At this point we know his playing weight is well under 200 even his most outspoken advocates have given up that fight. Well see the not throwing at the combine thing alone isn't the issue it is that it's magnified when paired with the unfortunate reality that so far in his NFL career out of all those QB's you mentioned he's probably only on par with Bridgewater in arm strength. Is that all he is going to be? I can't say. But I very much hope we can boost his confidence and get him at least trying to keep defenses honest. This Miami game is going to tell us a lot about what teams think of his arm.

I don't disagree with you. We aren't going anywhere for the foreseeable future even with LaMelo anyways. No reason to be reviled too.

There were a handful of trolls who did not like him at all just as there are now but for the most part it was fans discussing his pros and cons like every other prospect. I think you are conflating people expressing valid concerns that have already come up again barely a quarter way through the season with hate. I don't like it. You don't like it. But it's there and it's up to Bryce to change the channel and prove he belongs in this league. Andrew Luck? The guy who was the biggest can't miss prospect in the last 20 years? That's the comparison we're landing on here to excuse not throwing at the combine? We both know what's been "going on here" sir. We traded the farm for a QB we were told was the most pro ready and cerebral of the top 3 by a significant margin. That hasn't come to fruition at all for several reasons. But fair or not it means the Panthers discussion is going to be bitter at best. The Panthers decision makers made their own bed. The results the fans have to live with. And in the meantime it's going to remain ugly. Anywho hopefully we can at least make a game of it against the Dolphins. Enjoy it if you're watching.

That happens with every QB class in every draft. People pick a prospect and head to their respective corners. Will Levis got more hate from fans than anyone in the class. Why aren't you drumming up sympathy for him? Anyways fans have no impact on a players draft stock. The media gave CJ Stroud the Cam Newton treatment. He knew it too. For the most part Bryce Young was handled with kid gloves from the media. The fact that you perceive throwing at the combine for a QB under consideration for the top pick to be only for "stans" whatever the hell that means tells me you have your own agenda. What is your definition of "having his back"? I'm guessing it's pretending everything is going well like a mindless drone. Sorry bud the world doesn't work that way. I want him to succeed as much as anyone I don't want my local team to be the joke of the league. If he and the rest of the team play like poo until the game is lost that's what I'm going to call it.

Sometimes the incompetence is so ridiculous all you can do is laugh.

I honestly have no idea how anyone can be crowing about Bryce Young receiving hate before the draft when in fact it was CJ Stroud who was dragged through the mud and had his character and intelligence called into question based on absolutely nothing at all. While Young was afforded the benefit of the doubt from most of the media even after skipping the combine with questions about his weight swirling. These claims might work on someone who has a hazy memory of the events but we have the receipts. Stop the bullshit.

I agree but why haven't they? I'm beginning to think they are trying at all costs to appease LaMelo so he won't leave because he and Miles are close friends. But where do you say enough is enough? Throwing billiard balls at a car your kids are inside of? After a felony DV charge? Bad look for everyone involved. Idk if any of them are worth watching or giving money to at this point.

98% of Panthers fans want him to succeed. Only a few trolls want the team to be horrific and an overall embarrassment. Just as those trolls are making discourse difficult those who want to constantly speak on Bryce's behalf at every little hint of criticism because he's a #1 overall pick are continuing the cycle of repetitive circular arguments. Let him show us all something and stop speaking as if he's already arrived. You are not his mom and dad. He's not playing at Alabama anymore. We need Bryce Young to step up and just play some football and have fun. Don't be timid don't be afraid of throwing a pick looking downfield. Just go out there and give defenses a reason to think you can beat them with your arm. That's why you were the top pick. All this other outside noise doesn't matter.

The Panthers have a lengthy history of being wrong unfortunately. The win/loss record speaks for itself as well. 99% would rather have a football team that looks like they belong in the NFL this team is barely high school level at times. And the folks who were dead set against any QB not named Young were anything but low-key about it. Considering we are now watching pretty much the worst case scenario with this pick it's inevitable these discussions will continue to be prevalent. Sorry you think reality is lame but thems the breaks my guy

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