tukafan21

Totally different when you're talking about an RB decision, especially when one was already on the team and was a 1,000 yard rusher himself last year. And I guarantee you are wrong, professional athletes look at their teammates like brothers and are willing to go to the mat for them when they believe in them, even more so when you're talking about a QB. Those same eyes would see them still losing with the guy they just picked up off the street and don't know at all vs the guy they've been in the thick of it with for the last few seasons and look at as a family member. They would understand moving on from him in the offseason, but benching him for a guy you sign off the street more than halfway through the season is entirely different.

Fair, but having had a more successful career to date doesn't mean we would be more likely to win games 11 through 17 this season with them as our starting QB. We'd are able to do other things, but they still wouldn't be as good as we would be with Bryce. There is a formula we can win with Bryce as our starter, but it requires a good running game, a good defense, and Bryce making just enough of his rare shining great plays to get us those wins. It sucks for us to watch as fans, and I understand the desire to see more. But I think sticking with Bryce is what is best for the franchise long term. It keeps the guys together as a family who is playing for each other. That way when we move on from Bryce and maybe Canales, the new HC and QB will come into a locker room that is still together, rather one that fell apart over the last 2 months of the year because we benched Bryce for a guy off the street and still sucked.

100% someone would sign him with the hope of him being their backup next year as their reclamation project, just like Darnold and Jones in recent years. In fact, I could very well see the Vikings or 49ers sign him as a 3rd QB, or even as a PS guy because Bryce would know those guys have had a reputation of late for fixing guys with the bust label.

Nope, you ride it out on the rims I said it in another post, but if you do that and then Canales can get just one good looking game out of some scrub QB we just signed, it could be just like Bryce's couple good games late last year and Canales is brought back too. Only way you do that is if you're also firing Canales at the same time so you eliminate that possibility.

Again, I'm clearly no Bryce defender, but even I'll say that I think we have a better chance of winning with Bryce at QB than someone who isn't currently on an NFL roster. And more importantly, I think the players would believe that as well. Bryce is not good and I don't think he should be a starting QB in this league. But there is no way a player not good enough to be on a roster right now is a better option if you're trying to win games. If you want to make the argument that they will have a better arm and we'll be able to throw passes we can't currently with Bryce. Then yea, I would be 100% in agreement, but that's a totally different argument, and one I wouldn't be against if they have the type of arm who can do what I wanted Jameis for, and to pepper our young play makers with targets at all levels for them to see those passes in games and get better. The problem is I'm not sure any of those guys really have that type of arm or mentality to do it properly, and thus I don't think it's a path worth taking after 10 weeks of the season.

I'm not denying that. But we're not talking about bringing in some elite level QB to replace him this year, we're talking about bringing in a guy off the street who can't stay on a roster. That's not really going to help this team much, if at all. Do you really think doing that to a QB they like is going to not piss them off? I get it, damned if you do, damned if you don't. But I think you'd lose the locker room significantly faster by benching the guy they like for a scrub off the street they don't know. They'd rather just play out the year with their brother and then start fresh the next year than still getting our asses kicked with a guy they don't know under Center.

Another reason I don't like these ideas, is that I'm 100% sold on Canales NOT being a good HC and someone we should keep around. Bring in a scrub off the street and Canales is able to turn in one or two great late season performances, and you're staring at exactly the type of thing Tepper would need to be convinced to give him one more season next year. How do I know this? Because it's EXACTLY what happened last year to have Bryce brought back for this terrible season. It's time to move on and turn the page from the Bryce and Canales era, just ride it out this year and start fresh next year.

The fans have given up, but I do not think the players have. Just winning 3 of 4 leading into this game, and then players accepting responsibility and not excusing away the terrible game has shown the locker room hasn't been lost. This is the latest into the season our locker room hasn't been lost since the Wilks season, and then it was lost early due to Rhule and then re-gained late in the season. It's actually the one thing I like about Canales, that he seems to have forced a complete 180 in our locker room culture in his almost 2 years in charge here now. That's still not good enough for me to want us to bring him back next year, as I think he's pretty bad in most other aspects of the job, but it was still something badly needed for this franchise.

It's not something you want to happen, but again, it happens on every team in every sport and every season. Sometimes it doesn't cost your team the game and just makes a great team have a close game against a bad team, but it happens. How do you think the Bills lost to the Dolphins this week? Same thing, they figured it was an easy win, probably didn't give their 110% attention/effort in the week leading into the game, expecting it to be a cake walk blowout win. And again, I'm not saying this is a good thing or that I'm happy it happened, but to pretend this is some groundbreaking revelation that is unheard of, is just asinine, it's the exact opposite of that, it's expected and mundane.

Totally fair points, but I think it's being overlooked that the locker room seems to genuinely like and believe in Bryce. You sign a guy off the street and bench Bryce for them, you're going to lose the locker room in an instant and it will cause much bigger problems moving forward than just putting up with Bryce the rest of the year. And yes, that would be way better for T-Mac's production, but as I've said all year long, while I want to see T-Mac succeed, I'm not rooting for that over the team itself and in particular, our long term outlook. So like I said above, I think that would be great for T-Mac's production, but terrible for the overall locker room and team morale, which would lead into an ugly offseason. You just have to let Bryce finish out the year as it's what will keep the players engaged and caring, benching their guy is a good way to get players to quit and/or just be pissed at the organization. If this is in Week 3 or something, it's a different scenario, but there are only 7 games left in the season, we're pot committed and just need to play out our hand at this point.

I’m clearly no Bryce fan, but I’m not sure signing and playing guys who can’t even stay on a roster or practice squad isn’t going to alleviate your issues with watching us play

I love how everyone is acting so surprised by this, it's actually pretty comical that it's a shock to anyone. This is how it is in ALL sports. It's the same reason we were in tight games last year against teams like KC and Philly. I'll bet the same people surprised by this right now are the same ones who thought those games were the proof that Bryce was legit and this team wasn't far from being in contention. Teams have down weeks, whether it happens because they're playing a weak opponent so don't think they need to take the week as serious or because a team just got too big headed after a good streak of games/wins, it just happens. There have been very few teams who have ever been 100% locked in every week, you're talking about 2007 Patriots or 95-96 Bulls type of teams there. Hell, just look at the Bills this week, there was no reason for them to lose that game and they got blown out. But sure, we're the franchise with the culture problems because a few guys got their head over their skis this past week.

I genuinely don't see the point in starting anyone other than Bryce or Dalton the rest of the season. We're not finding our long term solution off the scrap heap at this time of the year, so no need to "see what they've got" And even if Bryce and/or Dalton continue to be terrible and cost us games. Again, what's the point in trying to "fix" that at this point in the year, just take the losses and better draft positioning while making it much easier to move on from Bryce in the offseason after he's finally lost all his support amongst fans so nobody is upset when we cut for trade him for a conditional 7th rounder. There is an argument to be made that bringing in a better QB will still allow for the pass catchers to develop more. But again, at this point, that ship seems sailed, there isn't a Jameis gunslinger type out there where it would do what is intended. Even a Hooker or White type of guy is going to take time to develop any timing with these guys and it won't help much before the season is over.

It's not even about always splitting with the Falcons When you embarrass a team like we did that game (although one could argue they embarrassed themselves with their play that day), and then you play them again at a point their season seems all but lost, it then turns into that team's SB game for that season. I have a feeling we not only lose, but lose by double digits

And a large number of fans will go nuts celebrating that win "because we've been poo for so long" instead of being able to objectively realize how winning that game hurts the franchise overall.

The big problem with this is Steichen >>>>> Canales Not to mention they have a legitimate MVP candidate right now in Taylor. And while we like Rico and Hubbard, c'mon, now even the most die hard Panthers fan isn't dumb enough to think they're anywhere near his level.

Offensive assistant, to passing game coordinator, to offensive coordinator, to head coach. Not saying he'll be any or all of those things, but that's probably the career path I'd see him trying to follow. Because like you said, I can't see him being a QB coach if he can't get the fundamentals down right himself. But those other coaching positions are more about game planning and play design/calling than actual on field coaching up of players. And that's an area where I think his football brain could end up panning out for him to have a decent post playing career.

If Jameis was our QB this year for 17 games, T-Mac would have won OROY, there is no question in my mind about that.

Where would this rank if spread out to only a 16 game season? Because remember, this is only the 5th season of having 17 games, so even with an extra game over 26 of our seasons in franchise history and it still only would rank 19th best (and again, that's ignoring how some players didn't play 16 games in those other seasons like you said)

You can be a millionaire transferring to almost any Power 4 school to be their starting QB these days. Think I saw last offseason that the projected going rate for a Power 4 transfer QB was $2 million. Jalen Milroe was a 3rd round pick this year and signed a 4 year deal worth $6.2 million, with only $1.2 million of it guaranteed. Michigan's Freshman QB is making over $3 million this year, and you know those numbers are only going to keep going up for QBs. So again, unless you're certain you're going to be a Top 10 pick, just stay in school for another year (or two pending eligibility) and bank a ton of money before going into the draft as even a 3rd round pick where you might end up making less money in a career on practice squads than you did in those final 2 years in college alone. Plus, I'd think getting another year or two in college as a king of the campus would be way more fun than being a backup QB in the NFL anyways.

I think there's an argument to be made that not only is there no rush to go pro, but unless you're a sure fire can't miss QB prospect, you're better off staying in college than declaring for the draft. If you're even in the discussion of being a mid round draft pick at QB and you put your name in the portal, even if you want to stay at your current school, you're going to get a massive NIL bag dropped at your feet to stay in school. Non first round QB's can make more in one season through NIL than they'll make on their entire rookie contract these days. If you're not a guaranteed Top 10 pick, it's to the point where entering the draft is dumber than just playing one more year in college unless you think you're going to get badly exposed and ruin your NFL prospects in the process.

He's terrible on camera with a microphone in his face, way too soft spoken to ever make it as a commentator, honestly think he'd be worse at that than he is as a player. It's actually always bothered me, for as "polished" as a prospect he was off the field, he just doesn't have that leadership type of voice when speaking with the media. You see other rookie QBs come in and nail it immediately, but we're in year 3 and he still has that "aww shucks" boy-ish mentality when speaking to the media. Genuinely wouldn't shock me to see him end up in coaching, would be a good way to use his "super brain" that his physical limitations don't make up for at this level.

Mahomes backup It really would be a good situation for both sides. Bryce sucks, but he does have some Mahomes-esque style of play at times. He'd be a great addition to the QB room on non gamedays and likely be a good asset for Mahomes to bounce things off of on the sideline during games too. He'd always be mentally ready to play if called upon and could probably execute a lot of KC's plays well, as they do well at scheming players open as well as their large portfolio of trick plays that don't require much from the QB other than mini tosses on their jet sweep type of plays. He could be a long term backup option for them so they don't have to keep cycling in new backups. Now if Mahomes ever really goes down for good for a season, they're screwed, but that would be the case with most backups anyways and think what he'd provide as a pure backup would be better than most other options.

Again, I'm not saying he isn't a great player and I'm not saying he isn't the heartbeat of our team. But a team with a Top 5 draft pick would be better off just using the pick themselves than trading it 1 for 1 for DB. That's still a true elite prospect who will then be on a rookie contract. And that's before even factoring in, if there is a QB available there, there is a 1 million percent chance, someone will be offering a significantly better trade than just DB for that pick. These aren't insults to DB, they're just objectively understanding the value of a Top 5 pick vs a 28 year old DT who's main role is as a space eater and run stuffer as opposed to being a pass rushing menace.

I despise this argument sooooooooooooo much, because yes, he very much asked for it and gamed the system to ensure it happened. He put on bad weight before the combine so he'd weigh in at a number that didn't scare teams off. Because of that he didn't do any physical testing, because he knew he wasn't in the right condition to do them well. Then he cut the weight by his pro day so he could perform better, while then not allowing himself to be re-weighed in at that time, because it would show he wasn't as big as he seemed to be at the combine. They purposefully hid his deficiencies to ensure he was taken at the top of the draft, knowing if they let him perform side by side with the other prospects, he'd have been exposed and fallen in the draft. I get it, you can't blame him for trying to get drafted as high as possible, but it's why the "he didn't ask for it" reasoning falls completely flat with me in regards to Bryce.