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Is he healthy enough yet to be the starting slot in Week 1? If not, does that mean Horn Jr is going to be our #3 in week 1 with Moore being #4? Talk about going from a position of strength a week ago to one with big question marks right now. Overpaying to get T-Mac in my auction draft Monday night is starting to look much more appealing right now than it did a week ago as well. I figured there were enough mouths to feed and he was still a rookie, but now, he's looking like he could see a seriously high number of targets this year.

That happened to me once, hahaha Because our agency's main client had huge layoffs, we had to have our own batch of them. The agency really didn't think through who they were cutting and why, it was purely based on the department/team you worked in. After a month, they called me and said they wanted me back in the same role but on another team. I told them I was already getting interviews/offers for jobs/salaries much better than I had there as they should have given them to me years before. In the end, I got a 2 title bump, a 20% raise, and started the day after my severance from the layoffs ended (which was sizable as I had been there 5 years). So I got a big promotion and raise to get a free 6 week paid vacation before starting on the new team. The problem was that I turned down a job that I knew I should have taken instead, as I knew it wasn't a good fit on that team for me. But I was arrogant and liked knowing the whole office would know they had to give me a huge raise given my new title and I took it purely for that reason, and of course it then went exactly like I thought and I hated it.

No he didn't, he was perfectly happy here until the Vikings badly needed a WR and showed interest. He didn't "want out" as you say, he just wanted this opportunity once it arose. I still think we should have played hardball and demanded more for him, not because he was worth it in a trade, but because he was worth more to to our team than the return we got for him.

He took a paycut AFTER he left. But PLEASE let it come out that the Vikings and Thielen's agent had a secret discussion we didn't permit about Thielen taking a paycut if they made the trade. Would end up netting us another draft pick in the end.

And this is why you don't trade Thielen away for peanuts, SMH

That's sometimes the case when it comes to the X's and O's of the game, and in film study. But when it comes down to the little things like hand/foot movement to beat X, Y, or Z coverage off the line or any other number of nuanced like that, basically the things players are discussing on the sideline between series, that's where the vets come into place. Those are the things that if the coaches who didn't have a ton of success were good at, they'd likely have had more success in their careers. But either way, none of that changes that coaches can only do so much, having vets to lean on is imperative to young players in their early years, it's not really even debatable.

Unless he's 1,000%, just sit him an extra week at this point to let him get his legs back under him. I want to see him out there as much as the next guy, but this was a serious thing and I'd rather wait an extra week than put him out one day too early and risk something going wrong, play the long game for once.

God, these posts are really starting to piss me off If we're relying on Moore, Idzik, and Canales to carry that weight, then we're royally screwing over our young WR room. It's not that those guys can't help with some of it, but these young promising WRs are going to miss out on a lot of learning that can only be provided by the vets on the team. You do realize that coaches spend ZERO time in the locker room, right? They are only in there just before games and at halftime, but the rest of the week, they have their own locker room, they only spend time with the players on the field and in the film room. There is soooooo much time that you're leaving unaccounted for where players are working together to get better. Players are constantly talking about their game and how they can improve while they're in the locker room. If you think career long special teamer David Moore is going to be able to carry that water in the locker room, then you're sorely and woefully mistaken. Even beyond that, if a coach pulls a player aside to give advice between series, that still means there are 4-5 other WRs who aren't getting individual advice, where that's normally a time a vet like Thielen is going over with them what he's seeing out there and how they can do X, Y, or Z to do A, B, or C better on the next drive.

Packers in Dallas for SNF in Week 4 is going to be wild

Never, and it doesn't have to be an old grizzled vet, sometimes a vet can learn something from a young player too. Do you not see players talking to each other between plays, quarters, on the bench, wherever, in EVERY sport? It's what players do, especially the great ones, they're always working on their craft and learning tips from others to better themselves. So when your entire receiving room outside of one player, who has mostly played special teams in his career, has played 1 season or less in the NFL, it's not a lot of experience there in the locker room and on the sideline and is a tad concerning in regards to the proper growth of all these young WRs with great potential.

So me "putting my foot down" would be me spending more money each season to watch the games without sound at the bar? Do you not see how dumb that sounds? Streaming a game here or there isn't tough, but doing it for 17 games a season, when more than half the time the quality is terrible if it's even working at all, and it's just an awful experience to follow your favorite team. It's literally spending at minimum an extra $100 a season to have a worse viewing experience if I were to "put my foot down" as you say, and then don't get to also be able to easily watch all my fantasy players as a bonus on top. I spent at over a dozen years going to the bar every Sunday to watch us play, so now that I get to watch from the comfort of my couch, plus get all the other games, and spend less money doing so, yea, I'm going to pay that money without a second thought, it's a great deal for me and tons of other fans.

Well sure, but if you're in NC, you would get them through a basic cable package. And if you're not in the local area, then the cost would be fair because it's comparable to needing to go to a bar to watch every week. I'll also put it this way... Of all the subscriptions I have to pay for these days (and it's way too many), it's really one of only two that I feel are a fair price that I don't mind paying, the rest are all way too high. Side note... the other is for AMC's A-List, by far the best deal in entertainment (at least if you love the movie theater experience like myself). $20 a month and can see up to 4 movies a week, 2 movies a month and you're making money on it compared to buying them individually. I passed my break even point for the year in June, so will get 6+ months of "free" movies through the end of the year.

The NFL averages 2.2 million viewers per PRESEASON game, the HOF game had 6.9 million viewers. The NBA Finals averaged 10.3 million viewers for the Finals and 4.5 million across the playoffs overall. They aren't even comparable, the NFL makes twice as much money a year as the NBA does, of course the TV packages are going to be very different. Also, tons of fans will watch as many NFL games as possible (mainly because of Fantasy), but not a whole lot of them are going to be watching random NBA games every single night, at least not in comparison to with the NFL.

"Things like this" were never included with cable in the past, because there's never been anything like it. I can't think of a single league that you could watch every single game from it through your cable, even with an added sports package you'd just get a channel that carries various gamest. Pretty sure the NFL was the first league to do this with Sunday Ticket, and they've all followed suit since, but even all of those are separate expensive packages just like Sunday Ticket is. And given that the point of Sunday Ticket has always been for out of town fans to be able to watch their team every week, there really isn't any other math to run compared to the cost for an out of town fan to watch the Panthers every Sunday, at least legally. I can understand wishing it was cheaper, of course I do too, but when you really look at it logically, it really isn't a bad price point.

Exactly I can see how people who live near their favorite team would hate it, because I'm sure they'd love to have it to watch other games, such as for fantasy watching. But the cost is way too high if that's what you're getting it for, if you don't need it to watch your favorite team, it doesn't make much sense to buy. But I'm saving money on the season, getting to listen to the commentary on our games (which when you go a decade or two of only getting that a couple times a year if you're lucky, it's pretty nice to have), and then get to watch all my fantasy players (and opponents) every week of the season. So the price doesn't bother me, it's totally worth it.

Because it's not that bad, it is literally saving people money if they don't live near the team they root for and are able to get them on local TV every week. Do I wish it was cheaper? Sure, of course. But I can also objectively look at it and say it's saving me money compared to needing to go watch it at a bar ever weekend. And before anyone says to just stream it, I did it for a while once Covid hit, partially because we were so bad so I didn't care about the problems with it, but it was just awful. To begin with, sometimes they just flat out didn't work, sometimes the quality sucked, sometimes it would just buffer every 30 seconds and be nearly unwatchable. The $450 this costs for the season is a significantly better deal than the $180 I have to spend to watch Wrexham matches for the season. That pass, you have to sign up for an individual team and you only get their games (and not even all of them sometimes). At least with Sunday Ticket, you get every single non national or local game, which again, is amazing for fantasy football junkies.

It really isn't though If you were to go out to a bar every week of the season, even to just watch one batch of games, i.e. just the 1 pm or just the 4 pm, and spent only $30 a week, you're looking at $540 bucks, $510 if you're just going for the 17 weeks your team is playing, assuming no national games. Also, from past experience, it's hard to spend only 30 bucks if you're at a bar for 3+ hours to watch the game. Even just a small appetizer, a meal, and say 2 beers was going to run you $40ish, and that was back in 2019 when I used to go to BWW to watch all our games pre the Covid year when I just started finding streams and stuck with that until YouTube got the package from DirecTV. At $450 for a full season, to be able to watch every game, to be able to make your own quad box, to be able to switch between the sound for any game (at a bar in Michigan, I would never get to hear the commentary on our games)... It's really not a bad deal, and that's if you're only watching your team's games. If you're a fantasy football junkie like myself, then it's a flat out steal, as depending on your TV set up, you can get every game from your fantasy matchup playing. I do a projector with a quad box on it, a local game on the TV, and then if needed, I can put another game on my laptop and another on my phone.

Well that's my point, if he couldn't make the initial 53 here, he probably knows that if he signs with us, it's as a locker room mentor and he probably won't play much, if not even just being inactive on game days. If other teams are offering him a chance at real playing time, it's then which does he prefer, to be closer to his family or to actually get to play again. I can see why he'd need to talk it over with them

Well, also saw that there were other teams interested in him, so maybe the talking it over with his family is more about whether he wants to stay home in Carolina, or go play somewhere else where he might get more snaps.

Yep, all NFL players learn everything they will need to know for their careers by the start of their 2nd season, they never learn and improve after that. Oh, and if you’re a 1st round pick, you learn all that in the first couple months of the draft, so T-Mac is good for the rest of his career too. Sorry Horn Jr, you’re just SOL I guess

People overestimate what coaches do. It’s like you’ve never watched the sidelines during a game and see the players talking about what they’re seeing out there and giving each other pointers to play better. Yes, coaches do some of that, but people are straight up sticking their heads in the sand if they think seasoned vets don’t impart wisdom onto younger players every day of the season.

But in any profession in life, you also have people who help teach you the things they've learned over their career to make you better, particularly early in your career. I'm not saying we need a vet to be taking a ton of snaps or targets, but someone who has been around the block (as an actual WR, not a special teamer) who can help these guys out.

It's about the inexperience of the room Coaches can't teach players everything, I just really don't like the lack of a seasoned vet WR (Moore doesn't really count with his 115 career receptions) to help these guys out. Even just the in-between series stuff where the vets are giving the young guys tips and pointers on things, that will be missed if we don't bring someone else in (or Renfrow back).

That's the total number of catches our WR corps has in the NFL

In a make or break year for Bryce to prove he can be the guy... Tommy Tremble and David Moore are the only pass catchers (not including RBs) who have played more than 1 NFL season. That's just scary to think about, no matter how much potential these young guys have.