tukafan21

Yea I was against Watson too, but I honestly don't remember anything about Jameis abusing women, so maybe I'm just not familiar with that story. That is something I'm against too, but at the same time, we're not signing him to be the face of the franchise for the next 10 years, it would be signing him for 1, maybe 2 years, and solely using him to help build up the rest of our players. If there was ever a situation to look past some off field transgressions, it would be there, where you're not trying to make them a focal point of the franchise moving forward. If there was someone else similar, I'd have no problem going that route either. I just want a QB next year who is a gunslinger who is going to get our young weapons the targets they need to improve their game, whether it's Jameis or someone else, that's the type of QB I want next year.

nah, he should be the starter. We're not going to be contenders next year and we're not likely to find our QB of the future this offseason. So next year becomes about one thing, building up our young players as quickly and as much as possible. And of all the QB's we could potentially sign or trade for next year to be our starter, Jameis is likely the best candidate to do that for us. Yes, his mistakes will cost us games, but that's all they will cost us, those INTs that make us lose a game won't hinder the development our WRs, TEs, and RBs get because of the 50 passes he'll throw in a game to all levels of the field.

I was only using Samuel as an example as he was an easy one people here know well, and it had nothing to do with his or Thielen's statistical outcome, it was just meant to be about their style of play. Thielen is one of the best route runners in the league, with sure hands, but isn't going to run away from anyone or make a defender miss him in a phone booth with his quick twitch movements. Samuel is someone who isn't going to run the most pristine routes, but he's a player you just need to get the ball in his hands for him to use his explosiveness to make people miss and make plays. With XL and Coker already on the roster, they project to have more of a game similar to Thielen from the slot than a Samuel. That is why I'm saying if we are going out to get a pure slot WR, it should be someone in the mold of a Samuel, a quick twitch speedster, not a slower route running specialist.

You make an asinine claim about Lawrence not having the tools of an elite QB (which, spoiler alert, he 100% has all the tools, the question at hand is if he's going to follow through on the potential he has, but the tools themselves, they're all there). And someone brings this up and then mentions a QB in this upcoming draft class, WHICH IS WHAT THIS THREA IS ABOUT, and says how they believe he's not going to make it in the NFL, and you do what you always do, you jump on them being a homer of some sort. All because they said something negative about the two players you have an unhealthy love affair of. How about for once trying to defend your positions, explain why you don't think Lawrence has the tools to be elite, explain why you think Shedeur does, don't just say they have an agenda. But you don't do that, because you don't actually know football, you don't know how to watch someone in college and project how their abilities will translate to an entirely different game in the NFL.\ You are a box score, Madden style, hype machine analyst who can't separate the trivial things from real things.

I wasn't even looking for proof of you being wrong and me correct on something, was just looking back on the thread I made over a year ago about T-Mac and found this gem in there. You wanted to go O-Line with our first two picks and that we would make a splash in FA at WR. I agreed on using cap room on a WR, but I also told you there wasn't going to be a WR in FA (which there wasn't) and that we should try to trade Burns for one (maybe we did and it didn't work, who knows). I also told you that trying to hit on two OL in the 2nd and 3rd isn't the right route to go, but using that cap room on some guards is how you do it (which we did, and it's working). Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm Interesting isn't it (and yes, I know I was wrong on using that 2nd rounder on a defensive player, but that was also off the hope of using Burns help get a WR, which was the right idea, I was hoping Aiyuk, just wasn't able to be done in the end).

Also in all of this, the real key game is the Browns beating the Dolphins or getting another unexpected upset. As the Titans and Jets are more than likely to win at least 1 more game, so as long as the Browns get one more win, winning one more ourselves keeps us 5th at worst, we'd move up to 4th if the Jags are able to win 2 games with the Top 3 being some order of Giants, Raiders, Patriots.

The Patriots beating the Bills at home in week 18 is way more realistic than you might think on the surface, which is why us losing out is so big for our draft status. As to why the Patriots might beat the Bills....... - If KC wins out through Week 17 (LAC, @CLE, HOU, @PIT), which is very possible, should win all going into Pittsburgh game - The Steelers lose 2 games, and their next 3 games after the Browns at home this week are at @PHI, @BAL, KC - The Bills lose only 1 game before Week 18, and they play in Detroit next week with Detroit coming off a Thursday game and added rest, with their other games being @LA, NE, NYJ, all games they should win. Then KC will have the 1 seed locked up and Buffalo will have the 2 seed locked up as well, nobody could catch either of them in Week 18 no matter what else happens until then. That will be a NE team with a bunch of coaches and players playing for their jobs for next season or at worst, auditioning for new ones against a team likely of all the Bills backups. I think they would actually win that game and entirely shake up the top of the draft order. My hope is the above very real possible scenario happens, we lose out, as well as the following very possible outcomes..... Jags and Titans split and then Jags then lose out (which would give the Raiders and Jets wins), Raiders lose out besides Jags game, the Browns beat the Dolphins at home in the cold in week 17 (or another surprise upset win), and the Giants lose out If that happens the draft is Giants, Panthers, Jags, Raiders... rest doesn't matter We swap picks with the Raiders to pick up more picks. Draft goes... Ward, Shedeur, Hunter, and we get to take T-Mac while adding whatever picks we are able to squeeze out of the Raiders. Or if Deion were to make it known we better not draft Hunter, I'd rather the Jags win an extra game so we're really only moving back 1 pick, that way there is no risk of Deion doing that to the Jags too and them taking T-Mac themselves, haha. Dream scenario that needs a lot to play out, but honestly, not one thing in all of that is really all that crazy. The toughest outcomes to get are probably the Chiefs winning in Pittsburgh and the Browns beating the Dolphins in Cleveland, neither of which are far fetched at all, in fact, all the other games the team we'd need to win would likely be the favorites. Lions with extra rest beating the Bills in Detroit would be the key domino in the whole thing though, as if Buffalo keeps winning, they'll still have a shot at the 1 seed in week 18 and the Patriots likely lose out and get the #2 pick and they get to trade with the Raiders.

This is exactly why I want him as our QB next year after taking T-Mac and having a great young group of offensive weapons who need to expedite their seasoning. He says and does some really weird things, but even with how much they're laughing at him here, McCoy says how much he loves Jameis, because despite the weird stuff, his teammates love him and he's a pretty good leader (except for maybe the pregame hype speech apparently lol). All that combined with his arm talent and no fear of attempting any pass, he's the perfect QB to help build up young WRs, TEs, and RBs like we have. Let him get them better for a season or two and then go all in on a FA, trade, or trade up in the draft to get the right QB to add into all that talent for a real SB run. I'm fine with losing 3-4 extra games for that season or two with him as our QB if it means our young offensive skill position guys have an expedited growth of their game because he's gonna sling that rock all over the place and at a high volume.

Nah I love Thielen and he's a more than valuable player, but I think we have that role covered a bit with XL (in terms of the going across the middle) and if we were to draft T-Mac, he also thrives on crossing routes and absorbing hits while making crazy grabs. I'd rather have a peak Curtis Samuel type of slot WR over a Thielen, especially with XL and Coker already on the roster who are more in the Thielen mold from the slot than a Samuel, even if they aren't exactly Thielen of course.

I'm not going to try and go find old posts from months and months ago, but yes, you called me crazy for saying T-Mac over Hunter as a WR on numerous occasions. and yes, you are a Madden fanboy (and I don't mean the game, just in how you view potential roster management moves, you view them as if it's Madden where you can manipulate things to get whatever you want done). Again, that you don't see this stuff is an indictment on you, not me.

My point is you continue to tout up your analysis of players while bashing mine. Yet currently the player you claim to want the most in this class, is only in that position in your mind because of MY analysis of him and pushing him on you. If you can't see the seething irony there, then I don't know what to say.

You're right, we do agree on T-Mac, which... hold on..... *checks notes again*..... is only something we agree on because you finally listened to what I was saying about him on here SINCE LAST NOVEMBER, despite your insistence that he wasn't on the same level as Hunter as a WR for the longest of times. There's that next level analysis you provide this place, rock on!

Yep, me calling Hunter a clear Top 10 prospect and the likely winner of the Heisman this year is.... *checks notes*...... throwing shade on him. Explaining the reasons you don't think a specific player is the right fit on a particular team right now is not throwing shade, it's called football/draft analysis. That you STILL can't or simply refuse to understand/acknowledge that is on YOU, not me, sorry bud.

Really? I've stated soooooooo many times how much I wouldn't touch any of the QB's in this draft class with the current state of our franchise. Wanting to take a WR has nothing to do with Bryce, I literally just made a long post yesterday (or maybe the day before) about how I would draft T-Mac, trade Bryce for the best offer, and sign Jameis this offseason because I think it would be the best way to develop our young weapons and then find a long term QB solution in the following year or two once the rest of the roster is built up a bit. But sure, go on and think me wanting to draft a WR this year is the proof of me wanting to stick with Bryce. EDIT: Here you go, here's the post with me going into how I'd go about the QB situation in this offseason and how I think the roster should be built up to have a contender a few years from now......

Starting to ball? Looking like a below average marginally competent QB is starting to ball? for a player 1 year removed from being the #1 overall pick? He had 263 and 298 yards against two of the worst pass defenses in the league, with a grand total of 6 TD passes on the entire season and only 1 game over 171 yards passing this year before these last two games, and even that was only 224 yards. Even in the 2 games he won this year, he had a grand total of 297 yards passing combined with 2 TDs and 1 INT But sure, ball away short king, ball away.

LOL, wish I had put what I just edited in that post in there originally, but now that you posted this as I was editing it, it's even funnier. Go on, keep bragging about correctly predicting who we would pick, not even talking about whether or not they were the correct picks. Calling a draft pick couldn't be any further than correctly grading out the prospects. You're literally asking for credit for correctly predicting we'd draft Bryce, but wanting to ignore how woefully incorrect you were on your evaluation of him. I wish I could make up things that ridiculous, I'd be a millionaire hollywood writer of Academy award winning films. It's basically the equivalent of Joe Lunardi bragging about how many NCAA Tournament teams he correctly predicted. At that point in the process, it's harder to be wrong than it is to be correct. The Panthers made it clear as day that they loved XL and planned on drafting him, XL himself accidentally leaked to the press that he was told by the team that he'd be the pick if he was there when they were on the clock. But yea, you were nostradamus and called that one when nobody else could see it coming.

I high key think you're one of the worst football analysts I've ever seen, and I've told you as such. I remember some of yours because they are so astoundingly ignorant of real life NFL implications despite your insistence of being correct. Hell, even in this post you say something downright comical. You're literally bragging about correctly guessing who we'd draft, not even about who they are as players. That in itself just shows how you can't seem to view anything in the correct lens. I correctly predicted we would draft Bryce, but you don't see me bragging about that. I also correctly predicted exactly the type of QB he would be at this level, and I'm still not bragging about that because it was that obvious, yet you still thought he was the second coming and would lead us to the SB hunt last year. But go on, keep telling me how awesome you are at this.

lol, you've proven over the last 2 years that you view everything through a Madden lens of flash and not substance based in NFL realities. The number of absolutely asinine ideas that you've thrown out over the last couple of years is just comical. For example, you spent all of last season saying we needed to sign Higgins this past offseason, where I kept telling you that he wasn't even going to hit the market, but you wouldn't stop beating that drum. You think real life NFL is a Madden video game, both in the moves you can make and how you grade out players.

You were the loudest proponent on this board for Bryce and claimed we would be SB contenders his rookie year. He ended up with the worst rookie season for a QB in NFL history and we ended up with the #1 pick that we didn't even own. You have no leg to stand on with draft analysis. Beyond that... you were the same person who was bashing me for pushing T-Mac a few months ago and saying you'd take Hunter over him as a WR without question. The only reason you've even come around on T-Mac is because of me and my analysis of him and you then forcing yourself to watch him more and in the end, you realized that I was correct. So please, keep telling me how you know better than me, I'm listening....................

I don't think the Jaguars end up as the #1 pick, even without Lawrence. Without looking at every team's schedule the rest of the way, I have to think they might have the easiest remaining schedule. Titans x2, Jets, Raiders, and Colts are their remaining 5 games, who have a combined 17 wins between them, if you count the Titans wins twice, lol. Even without Lawrence, there is a very real chance they find a way to win one or two of those games and drop from the #1 pick in the end.

The post had nothing to do with Hunter specifically, but again, you see me mention his name and just take it as a slight to him. It was a post regarding the WR position at the top of this draft, of which, there are 3 who are clearly better than the rest, one of whom just so happens to be Hunter. The only reason I brought up Hunter and Burden was to point how how they are both likely slot WRs compared to T-Mac being an outside WR, and for me, that's a key differentiator in the end when you need to rank all 3 on a team's big board. If there was a team at the top of the draft with a clear outside #1 WR, then I think they would be a team more likely to take Hunter or Burden if they want a WR, as they would be a better pairing. This is also a perfect example of why I can't stand your draft/FA analysis of players, because you can't separate individual players and the need/fit with a particular team. You take everything about the players in a vacuum by itself, which is the worst way to evaluate player movement. You also only took issue with me bringing up Hunter, not Burden, because again, you seem unable to view my posts as anything other than Hunter shade, when they're really comparing players at a specific position and comparing them to our current roster and needs.

Anyone who thinks T-Mac is slow is just looking at him being 6'5" and making an assumption based on his height that he's a plodding big man. If someone has watched him play, you can see that no, he's not a track star who is going to run in the 4.3's, but he absolutely is going to end up sub 4.5 as he has more than enough speed for the position. He'll already be the #1 WR on almost every team's board before the combine, but after they see him do the same drills right next to the other WRs, it will be clear and obvious to every GM there in person that he's the top WR in the draft, by a decent distance. If Hunter or Burden were more true outside WRs instead of likely slot type of guys, it could be different, but with that being the case, there really is no argument for either being higher on team's WR rankings.

Coming from someone who has watched every snap of T-Mac's career, if anything the media is under-hyping him because of the team's and his QB's struggles this year. He should be getting similar hype to Harrison did last year but his "down year" compared to the numbers he should have been putting up has kept some of that hype at bay. Even with all that he's I think 3rd in the nation in receiving, which if you've watched the team play this year, is crazy impressive, as our program was a mess this year.

The Raiders are in a division with Mahomes, Herbert, and now Nix (not to mention they each have an elite HC as well). I can't see any way they pass up on a QB they like to stick with O'Connell for another season, that's just not the Raiders way of doing things, they like to make splashes. If Shedeur is there when they're on the clock, I really can't see them passing him up. Shedeur + Las Vegas + Raiders = a match made in NFL hell, I'd be shocked if it didn't happen unless the Giants take him at #1. Really the only way I don't think it happens is if Deion realizes that Shedeur getting sent to that division with those other QB's/Teams is probably not best for Shedeur's career to start out on a good note and pushes for it not to happen.

How do you see it playing out differently? Seems pretty clear cut in the Top 5 to me, it will be 2 QB's, Hunter, T-Mac, and then the 5th player is probably going to come down to team need with Johnson, Graham, and one of the OL in the mix there. The Giants and Raiders are almost 100% taking the 2 QB's assuming they're in position to, and if not, they're going to try to trade into the picks needed to take a QB. The Patriots are taking an OL, Hunter, or T-Mac, which way they go will likely be decided by what they're able to get in FA before the draft. If they get an OT or two, they go with Hunter or T-Mac, if they can't get a new starting LT, I think that's the way they go to protect Maye. The Jags are a mystery as they really shouldn't be this bad this year, they have a lot of pieces and really could go any direction with their pick because of it. I also only see one more possible win for us against Dallas, we're not beating the Eagles and I just don't think the Cardinals, Bucs or Falcons will lose to us with their playoff hopes on the line. And if we win 1 more game, I think we still end up in the #5 spot. Jets still play the Jags and the Dolphins twice, Titans play the Jags twice and the Colts, so even if we win one more, they both likely do as well with puts us in line for the 6 spot at worst. At that point it would come down to if the Browns are able to beat the Dolphins, but with that game being December 22nd and in Cleveland, I think they have a real shot at winning that cold weather game where the Dolphins tend to struggle. You have to keep in mind that we're also likely to have the tiebreaker over almost every team who might be picking in the Top 10. The Patriots are the only team currently slotted in the Top 11 picks that would pick before us if we end up with a tied record, we have the lower SOS than all the other 9 teams in that range.