tukafan21

It's because the Young fans think Stroud supporters are only concerned about Young's height and think he's the 2nd coming to Drew Brees (even though he's 2 inches shorter and probably a good 25 lbs lighter). They disregard that Stroud supporters see and acknowledge that Young is a great prospect based on everything he does on the field, but they feel like his FRAME, let me repeat that, HIS FRAME, isn't big enough to last in this league for long, nothing to do with his height or even his weight specifically right now. He's just a very slim guy, not a wide base that could have weight easily put on without sacrificing his agility like Wilson had coming into the league. So most Stroud fans don't have issue with Young the player, but just are very concerned that he won't hold up in this league. Where as most Young fans put their head in the ground and thing Stroud is garbage who was only good because of the system and WRs around him. So it's much easier for the Stroud supporters to accept Young, because we don't have to convince ourselves that he's a good player, just have to shift to hoping he can stay healthy. That's much easier to do than the Young supporters who think Stroud is garbage and would have to cope with that if we picked him. I am 100% on the Stroud train, I don't see a big gap between them as prospects and I just absolutely don't think Young will be in the league 10 years from now, due to injury, not being bad at football. If we were the worst team in the league and got the #1 pick on our own, I'd be more accepting of drafting him, but with everything we gave up to get the pick, I think we need to go the more cautious route and go with Stroud, who I think is just as good as a prospect as a player as Young anyways. I'd also be able to live with taking Stroud and Young becoming a superstar much easier than if we took Young and he couldn't stay healthy, as of all thing things to predict about either QB's future (good or bad), that seems like the highest probability of anything happening with either.

I mean, the guy knows for a fact that he's not falling past the Texans and he's already met with them, to me this really just means he doesn't feel like wasting his time on any more visits before the draft next week. I'll admit it's all starting to look like it will be Young, but I still prefer we go Stroud, think he has a higher floor and I don't like Young's frame to hold up long term. We just gotta win the SB in the next 3-5 years before as I don't think he'll hold up, but should be really good for as long as he is playing.

Not at all If we traded back to #2 before the draft, we could tell whoever we take that we knew for 100% who the Texans were taking and it wasn’t who we wanted, so we did it for the extra picks. Once you make the pick, to make the trade then, it tells who you took that they were your second option. Not how you want to start that relationship

Definitely no to #9, too weird for a pass rusher for me (plus if Bryce is the pick, that will be his). Wouldn’t hate 0 for him, but I’d rather see Horn take it. I kinda like 53 on him, pretty unique for a pass rusher and he can make a claim for being the player you think of for that number down the line.

To anyone who thinks this changes draft plans for the 2nd rounder, you're kidding yourselves. I'm guessing this is a cheaper contract and more or less puts Shi on notice, can't see us keeping both of them, likely one or the other with whoever plays better in camp. The 2nd round pick still needs to be a WR and hope we hit on a good one. Our current WR room right now is an injury prone #1 on a 1 year deal, a #2 who has shown flashes of some skill but yet to breakout after a few years, a 33 year old slot who is the veteran presence, and then Laviska, Shi, and now Byrd. Still far from what you want to be giving a rookie QB, gotta take a WR in the 2nd and if needed, move up a bit into the back of the first or earlier in the 2nd to get someone if nobody worth that pick will fall to us.

Regardless of if this is smoke or real, this is also why I was always very against trading a big haul to move up to #1 in this draft, just too many question marks on each of the top guys. Think we'd have been better off keeping all those assets and seeing if one of the 4 fell to us at 9 or a slight move up to take either AR or Levis and still keep Moore and another pick or two at the same time. They really better not screw this up or they just set this franchise back at least 5 years.

Except the Chicago example is apples to oranges Drawing a blank on who made that swap with Chicago, but they were never taking a QB there, it was either keep the pick for a different position or trade it to someone else. This is 2 teams both openly knowing taking QB's, for Houston to make a swap, they'd have to pay up for that reason. So comparing it to the Chicago example is just not even in the same stratosphere.

lol a mid round pick?!?!?! I'm sorry, but if we flip picks with the Texans and only get a mid round pick for doing so, then Fitterer should be fired immediately. If we weren't taking a player of the same position, sure it makes sense, but that's not the case. Hell, the mid round pick wouldn't be worth just it rubbing whichever player we end up drafting the wrong way. I'd be pissed if I was that QB and the team didn't take me 1st overall just to pick up like a 3rd round pick. Would make me think I was a consolation prize for who the Texans didn't want, not that the Panthers wanted me, cause if they REALLY wanted me, they wouldn't have risked losing me to pick up a 3rd round pick. #2, #12, and their 2nd or next year's 1st, anything less and they can go kick rocks while we take our QB #1 overall.

I've long said the only way I'm even picking up the phone from the Texans is if it begins with #2 and #12, then the discussion is whether it's also this year's 2nd or next year's 1st coming along in the trade. If they want to jump us to draft the QB of their choice before we do, they have to pay thru the freaking nose. I also really only do that if the team is confident that the Texans are taking the player we wouldn't have been taking anyways. The position is too important to not take your #1 guy on the board, even if getting additional assets out of it, making the right pick is more important.

But if you know you're going to get it, do it early and get it for $250. But unless you barely ordered anything when going to a bar for games, you're getting it way cheaper this way. Since the pandemic I just started finding free streams of the games since it worked that first year and just been easier since, but before that I'd go to the bar and usually spend at least $25, if not upwards of $40 or more if I had an extra beer or two than usual. If you factor in a couple Panthers games being either national or available for you if out of market, and say you needed to go to the bar for 15 games a year, at only $25 spent each week, that's still $25 more than the $350 price, and if you sign up earlier, that's another $100 saved. All that isn't even considering any other games you could watch if wanted, such as for fantasy purposes. This seems like a great deal.

Never been more convinced that the team likes Stroud. Too many people popping up the last few days saying Young is the guy. No way that many people would have legitimate enough sources given the few people who will be involved in the final decision. Feels like a purposeful leak by the team to try and scare the Texans into giving up something dumb to swap picks (which I’m still gain at unless it’s for 2, 12, and either 2024 first or 2nd rounder this year).

I think Horn ends up with 0 I think the pick will be Stroud and he’ll be given #7 by Shaq, he won’t even ask for anything in return. Shaq is only back because we worked out a new deal instead of cutting him. For a rookie QB #1 pick, I think he’ll just give it to him, seems like a vet move he’d make.

Right, which is exactly why in the end, it's kinda the team's fault because all they had to do was yell at the league and/or Nike and it would have been fixed years ago. The team chooses our colors, now the manufacturer the league decides to give a contract to

Of course it does It doesn't matter that the league decided to go with Nike over Reebok, once that change happened, the team should have forced Nike/NFL to make sure they can produce our proper team colors. It's absurd to think that we just have to settle with what they had, this is the freaking NFL, there are 32 teams, don't make a deal with a uniform supplier if they can't deliver proper colors for those 32 teams. Don't think for a second this has nothing to do with the team, if they wanted to, this would have been done for year 1, not that hard to force them to make our uniforms in the correct color scheme.

Can he play WR? Honestly, short of every possible WR who could be drafted in that range already gone, I really won't be happy with any other position in the 2nd, it's by far our weakest position right now (assuming you don't count QB of course), which is not a great situation for a rookie QB to step into.

Count me on board for these, really sharp looking jerseys. Not a huge fan of the whites for some reason, can't pinpoint why, but those black and blues are both really great.

Seriously, this is the freaking NFL, it shouldn’t be hard to get the team color correct. Knew the blue in recent years was slightly different, but figured it was a purposeful choice for some reason, not laziness on Nike and pathetic on the team to not make them get it right.

Sweet jesus this is going to be a long 3 weeks. Levis was a fine option at #9, once we made the trade up to #1 it became a 2 horse race. Stop trying to make Levis or AR a possibility, it won't happen.

Hate when they do a logo on one side and the number on the other, so easily pass on that aspect. On the big logo like that... I like it, in a vacuum like it's mocked up here. But in real life I don't think it would be a good idea with the helmet designs that are being used these days by many players. I think with some of those new helmets, a logo like that would look super funky on some players.

This shouldn’t be hard to not screw up. Give me black standard helmets with a white alternate. No gradients anywhere, not in the helmet, jersey, or numbers. Don’t do the crappy college/XFL looking idea of the team name as a tramp stamp on the pants like the Dolphins. Keep some form of a shoulder stripe, but move it down to the side of the sleeve instead of on the shoulder to allow for normal sized shoulder numbers instead of the weird tiny ones.

The Lamar situation is starting to feel a bit like Dennis Schroeder with the Lakers a few years ago. Turned down a MONSTER contract extension expecting to get a bigger one in free agency. Ending up needing to take a 1 year prove it deal in the cheap, was exposed for not being as good as he thought, and lost out on a crazy amount of money that he’ll now never get. If Lamar doesn’t end up signing a big deal before the season starts and can’t make it thru the season healthy, again, this is going to be the biggest fumbling of a bag in sports history.

3 weeks at most fellas, not that hard to wait that long lol If we're getting new uniforms, they'll be unveiled at the very latest the second we make that draft pick. No chance we take a QB at #1 and have him take a picture holding a jersey that we're going to be replacing before he ever steps on the field.

If they were the same size, then yea, I'm probably taking Young, but not by a wide margin at all, it would still be very close. As I've said numerous times, size isn't the only factor, it's just part of the equation and has to be factored in, and with Stroud and Young so close as prospects, it ends up being the final tally in Stroud's favor. Also have said many times that if it was Young vs Levis or AR, then you take Young. You have one big error in your thinking here... You say that assuming Young will be oft injured because he is small is bias, which is correct. But you also say that thinking Stroud will break the OSU curse is also bias, which is woefully incorrect, it's the exact opposite. Thinking Stroud will bust because OSU QB's bust, is the bias, just like thinking the size will be an issue for Young. That's what also bothers me in the whole Young vs Stroud debate, it comes down to two things for most people size vs OSU's QB history. So people want to knock Stroud for past players not succeeding while giving Young a pass for something that absolutely is a known concern for him, not past players from his school.

This is really easy for me, Young has the most obvious and biggest negative on either players scouting report. If we draft him and his size is an issue and Stroud is a great player, we’ll be idiots for taking that risk with an equally talented option available.

no, because that would be the dumbest and ugliest uniform in NFL history, that's terrible