tukafan21

Not so sure about that anymore I I think this Bryce thing blowing up in his face is going to humble and change him. I think he’ll leave things up to the GM and HC more in the future with those kind of things. Maybe I’m being too optimistic, but would be hard for a smart guy like he is to not re-think his approach after all this.

It’s easier to do this with the #3 pick Not really possible with the #1 pick that you traded a boatload of assets to get. If that person isn’t your day 1 starter, you took the wrong guy.

Yea, I'd say there were a lot more in favor of drafting Stroud than Bryce. And beyond that, there was almost nobody saying Stroud shouldn't even be an option, even the Bryce fans, but there were A LOT of us who were staunchly against Bryce as it was painfully obvious that he just wasn't going to be an NFL QB. Once the pick was made, those of us who were against Bryce tried to get on board with the hype about his super brain and the coaching staff we assembled. But it was very apparent pretty quickly last year that we were right, he just doesn't have the stuff needed to play in today's NFL.

Was just talking about this with a friend the other day. If you forced me to buy a Panthers jersey right now, I’d go with a former player that I don’t have (probably Peppers or Kuechly). There isn’t a single player on the team right now that I’d want to buy right now.

So your theory is that Dalton is going to turn us into a borderline playoff contender Which will force the league to step in and do something about Tepper because it proves he screwed things up until then? Even though turning us into a playoff contender would kinda be the opposite of being a dumpster fire of a franchise that needs the league to step in and do something about it?!?!?!

Totally different scenarios, especially TO, but even Eli and Arch The game has changed today (and by game, I don't mean football, but the media and image game) and nobody knows it better than the Manning family. You start your career by causing a social media uproar because you're trying to dictate where you play, it's not going to help your endorsement deals and media likability. Just look at how much Deion got ripped into by everyone for saying he was going to only allow his son to play for a select few teams. He got torn up for that and everyone knew it wasn't even that serious of a threat. And Caleb Williams was getting ripped on social media when there were rumors that he was forcing the Bears to trade the pick or not to draft him, and those obviously weren't true. I think if someone were to do it now, it would really hurt that player's image. Sure if they win in the long run they'll be fine, but the Manning family is so media savvy these days, that I don't think they'd want to start him off on that foot and take years to overcome it. Cam proved you can be marketable playing for the Panthers, I think they'd look at Tepper's desire to win as a positive thing and that with the right QB in place, the rest could fall into place and allow him to put a winner together. But again, if they really didn't want him here, think the "easy" way out for them would be to pull a Luck and go back to school for another season. Sure it starts his NFL contract clock a season later, but he'd make a killing in NIL for the season and the family isn't hurting for money anyways. They'd sell it as wanting to get him a full second season as a starter before going to the NFL so it didn't seem like he was dodging us.

Oh, and on top of this, with NIL these days, I think if anything, Arch would be more likely to pull a Luck on us and go back to school if we had the #1 pick than try and pull an Eli.

I think people are making too much of this idea. Even for as revered as the Manning family is, if they're really the only ones to do that since John Elway, and do it twice, then a lot of people will turn on them in the football community. I think if social media was what it is today, when Eli was drafted, that wouldn't have gone over like it did, social media would have a field day with it. Plus, if we're smart and draft a true #1 WR with our first rounder this year, I think that alone could be very attractive to Arch and the family with already having that at his disposal. Eli and his dad didn't force their way out of SD because they were just a mess of a franchise, it was because at the time everyone knew the ownership wasn't really all that interested in trying to win, they just wanted to make money off the NFL team they owned. And despite all the dumb decisions Tepper has made, nobody can argue that he's just in it for the money, all he wants to do is win, and I think that would be a key difference to the Manning clan than with what happened with the Chargers and Eli back in the day.

No Wait a year and draft the better Texas QB who is going to be 10x the NFL QB than Ewers ever could dream to be

I don’t want to take a QB in this draft, I want the #1 pick so we can hopefully trade back 5 spots or so and pick up additional draft assets to fill all those holes

We can’t even suck properly Going to end up with like the 5th pick now because of it and just screw ourselves over, yet again

Thank god that game was over, it was hard to watch those two QB's playing against each other after today. Really only just had it on in the background wasn't really paying too much attention.

I'm still not even sure of that, we gave up A LOT for that pick, especially when you factor in using some of the assets from the CMC trade as part of it too. Stroud is clearly going to be good, but had you thrown him into the mess we still had last year around Bryce, there's no guarantee he'd have played near as well and a bad first couple of years can tank a QB's chances.

He means pre-season, nobody was saying Daniels was going to be a Heisman winner and/or be the #1 QB taken in the draft had there not been a Williams there too. But even that doesn't happen too often, when they say it's a down class, there usually isn't going to be a guy who explodes to be a no brainer at #1.

Okay, so two QB's in the last 15 drafts have come from nowhere to being taken in the Top 2, and both happened in a year that had an elite pre-season QB prospect (Tua to Burrow and Williams to Daniels). There could be a future HOFer in next year's class, you never know how these things play out, but every draft expert has been saying since even last year, that the 2025 QB class wasn't looking stellar, unless you fell for the Shedeur hype bullshit

If we're not rolling Bryce out there for slaughter again next season, I'd rather try and trade for like a Joe Milton from NE and just start him for the year and see if we get lucky and strike oil. If not, then we'll be right there in the Arch sweepstakes anyways. I'm just firmly against drafting someone next year, our roster is too void of talent, using another 1st round pick and putting a questionable QB prospect into that situation again is just asking for trouble, need to build up the team properly for once.

It's pretty rare for a Burrow to come out of nowhere to be a clear cut #1 QB in the draft. Cam actually might have been the last one before him to do that, and even then, that was just because he had to go play JUCO for a year, had he been a starter in D1 as a Sophomore, he'd have been right there with Luck as the top pre-season QB's in college that year

I've advocated for trading back, but have never said a "haul" because I know nobody is giving that up with this QB class, if that were the case, we'd just take the player. But just looking at the 2025 QB situations, there might just be such a dearth of teams looking for a new QB in the offseason that there isn't even the ability to get ANY trade offers for #1 unless someone falls in love with a non QB that they just have to draft. My preference would be to try and trade back to the 4-6 range to hopefully pick up a single future 1st, but even that seems lofty expectations in this draft class, and then take our first choice WR (my preference has clearly been shown as T-Mac of course). Get that true #1 WR in the draft this year and then draft a new QB in 2026 who steps in with a 2nd year stud already to throw to and hope we have a great duo for the next decade because of it.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if they would be very against that. Even with the great relationship Eli has with the franchise, I can't see them wanting to have to play in his Uncle's looming shadow while also dealing with the NYC media and fan base on top of it. The kid has enough pressure on him already, playing for the Giants, Colts, or Broncos would be very tough for him to do I think

Most of the league is pretty set at their 2025 starting QB right now, whether it be their starter right now or a situation like the Patriots or Falcons, where they already have their future QB as their backup. I could see scenarios play out where any of the Titans, Rams, Dolphins, Saints, Seahawks, Jets are looking for new QBs, but they seem really remote and/or they'd be picking too far back in the draft for it to be worth us trading back. Steelers and Browns both seem very likely to be looking for new QBs next year, but again, both seem unlikely to be picking in the Top 10 in the end. Really just leaves the Giants and Raiders as teams I think could be looking for new QBs in 2025 and have Top 10 picks. But they're more likely to learn from our mistake and not want to give up a haul to trade up in a weak QB draft. We basically would need to be #1, have the Giants at #2, and then the Raiders or another surprising QB needy team to be inside the Top 5 to have any leverage in getting a good return. If not that, we'd need someone else in the Top 10 to be as big of rubes as we were and give up something stupid to move up to #1 when there wasn't a clear top QB and/or threat of another team trading into the pick.

Anyone who seriously tries to defend saying that wasn't PI, either doesn't know the rules of football and/or are just complete Chiefs haters. "two players going for the ball" isn't when the defender goes through the offensive player's back to try and get to the ball, it never has been and it never will be. Call that with 1 second left in the SB against the Panthers and there is still nothing to argue about except the defender being an idiot and giving the game away.

He knows he’s a bust and every time he steps on the field it makes him look even worse cant really blame him for feeling this way, if he played any other position he would at least just be buried on the depth chart until getting cut, but you can’t do that with a #1 pick QB

This is yet again why firing Reich was a bad idea We can’t fire another coach after one season, no matter how bad this year goes, Canales isn’t going anywhere. Should have just sucked with Reich again so we could fire him and bring in a new coach next year to start the re-build from the ground up. We can’t even be terrible the right way

Well the Vikings aren't a team who will give up a solid pick for him, but I think there are numerous teams with SB aspirations that could want him. Top 2 that come to mind for me are KC and Philly, particularly with KC losing Hollywood for the year this week and the AJ Brown currently banged up for the Eagles too. Both teams who are in win now mode, I think one of them could give up somewhere in the 3-5 round range, depending if there are multiple suitors and can get someone to bid up for him.