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I’ll bet, since we saw articles about how Fitterer and Reich were in lock step about Young, that Reich was OK with Young (if he couldn’t have a vet) due to all that super processor poo. His maturity and S3 scores. You are correct though that Reich didn’t fit our we are finally going with a rookie QB decision. Just like every move under Tepper, we fuged up again. Probably why so many people aren’t really expecting Canales or Morgan to be the correct answer. Based on the past 6 years, I can’t blame them.

Garbage QB play? He had Luck, Rivers and Wentz who averaged 30 TDs and 11 INTs in the 3 years they above .500. His worst years were Brissett and a washed Ryan. He definitely had solid QB play and to be honest, he never had an inexperienced/rookie QB to develop. He really wasn’t a match for a rookie QB based on his preferences and experience. Just like everyone else we’ve hired/not fired, we made a bad move. It is funny how people still like to make excuses for coaches and GMs who didn’t do well. Reich sucked and Indy was happy to move on from him. Good QB play from experienced vets is what carried him.

Woo hoo, competitive in a few of the next 15 games. I’ll stop posting about it because I know Dalton isn’t going to make watching games any better this year for me. I just hope we don’t fug ourselves like we’ve done for years and made this team a lot worse for a couple more wins. Beating Atlanta one time won’t really solve the core problem and it’s going to be a shitty season to watch this year regardless of QB.

Huh? Getting the top pick means we can select the correct one. Who said anything about determining the correct guy right now Honestly, watching Stroud play and Young play, it’s so fuging obvious who our pick should have been. It had to have been an idiot like Fitterer somehow convincing everyone that Young was Wilson and everyone ignored the clear physical issues.

I agree but not getting the correct QB in the draft because we win too many games will be way worse for the young guys entire career.

Tepper is the boogeyman. All the predraft talk was Thomas Moore espousing the point guard stuff two months before the Tepper regurgitation and the happy couple Reich and Fitterer saying they were in lock step before and after the draft prep. Also, Fitterer was on record that he preferred Young the year before we drafted him so he had blinders on. I’m sure Tepper agreed but I think since Reich and Fitterer are gone that he’s the easy guy to blame. Like you, I hope everyone has learned. I didn’t like the Morgan hire because he was too close to Fitterer and we heard he agreed with so much like not trading Burns.

I get what you guys are saying as well but I remember that one extra win got us Brown instead of Herbert, one extra win got us Horn instead of two firsts (additional to the pick we’d go down to) and a 3rd from SF to trade up to 3rd and that going 6-6 with Wills meant we lost CMC, Moore and a high 2024 1st/2025 2nd to get Young.

Again, see my post above. We suck so bad that trying to win this year maybe gets us 2-3 wins instead of 0-1. That doesn’t help us at all. Also, if we have the dumbest people, it won’t matter anyway. We have to hope Fitterer was the main issue (he absolutely was #1 IMHO) and even Morgan or another GM in 2025 can get us the CJ Stroud of next year. I’d rather give them the best ammo they could have.

You may not be down but are you really going to enjoy Dalton going 3-12 and the Giants slipping in front of us at pick 1? Also, getting the first pick was not the worst thing. When we got Cam, it was great. The worst thing was Fitterer taking the wrong QB. I’m watching CJ Stroud and my god, the difference in picks is night and day. Houston will be a playoff contender for years. Again, the worst thing was not the first pick. It was how badly we screwed it up and the fact that we didn’t let Rhule get us there by himself without a trade up.

Given our history, pretty sure it will be the wrong one.

I posted this in another thread, but we’ve cost ourselves so much in draft picks with awesome 5 and 7 win seasons. We took Brown because we beat the Commanders and missed out on Herbert (I’m not sure he’s the answer, but with CMC and Moore, who knows). Another win a year later got us Horn instead of pick 3, which SF gave multiple firsts and other picks to Miami. Wilks going 6-6 after Rhule was fired got us pick 9 instead of a top 3 pick. We traded CMC (his 2nd was part of the deal), Moore and two first to get to 1 and took Young. People in here often talk about the draft as if slot never matters and we should never root for a loss even if we’re already eliminated from the playoffs or know we suck even if the stupid GM thinks we’re 1 QB away. We are a walking billboard the past few years of why that one extra win or not trying to tank screws up your talent level and costs you a bunch of good picks. That’s why going 3-14 with Dalton doesn’t excite me. We need great drafts to get out of this rut so having to trade up for QBs and having worse slots is bad. In case people don’t get it, our past 6 years should be a Harvard Business School Case Study of how to screw up a franchise for a decade or more.

Ok, so we go 3-14 and lose out to the Giants for the number 1 pick. They choose the CJ Stroud of 2025 and we get the Bryce Young of 2025 because we got 3 wins and 12 losses with Dalton. I’m hoping for an actual franchise level QB. That’s it. It amazes me that people want a few wins (maybe) over our future. Yes, I know we may still have poo at GM but at some point we have to hope they don’t fitter the pick up again. I’ve seem a lot of love of Wilks in here lately and all he really did was make us lose Moore and CMC while picking Young first. Heck, we might have accidentally had to take Stroud if we had pick 2 or 3 instead of 9. At some point we need to get the next QB and if Dalton can’t help us get there, he can ride the bench. I’d rather us pickup the best PS QB and try them out.

At this point. I don’t care. I just want the top pick and I want is to be the team that picks the best QB.

Very true, but it took Dalton 8 years to get those 33 wins. The answer is absolutely not on the team.

And we lost that game too. Dalton was just better in fantasy/garbage time.

It’s funny that Dalton is 33-52-1 since 2015 on much better teams than this poop show and people think we are going to win games. The only thing we have to look forward to is the 2025 draft. Saints and Tampa are 4-0, we’re already out of the division.

First, I’ll add that I’ve never preferred Young and it was obvious in week 1 against Atlanta last year that he was going to have problems. He’s cemented this in the rest of his career. Second, I’d enjoy Dalton starting because people in here actually think he’ll give us a chance. This team is poo with the worst QB ever. Dalton hasn’t been a winning QB in almost a decade and he’s not saving us this year.

CJ Stroud changed Houston. Daniels and Williams may do the same. Tons of top QBs bring winning cultures. Winning cultures are typically due to winning, amazingly enough. I can guarantee you that Andy Dalton will not change the culture of this team. We have been the worst team in the league for years and we are clearly there now. You can’t say that we’ll have a worse culture if we leave Young in and go for the #1 pick because our culture is already poo. You basically admitted that we are losers and we are. The only way we ever get back to anything good is if we have a legitimate QB who brings optimism and can win a game with his play.

Let’s get real here guys. What kind of culture have we had the last few years? We aren’t losing any culture even if Young loses the team by continuing to play. I don’t think Dalton does anything. Dude’s record is 33-52-1 since 2015 on better teams. This team is lost and it doesn’t really matter. What matters is what QB we get at the top of the 1st next draft. If we finally get the right one, the future culture will be fine.

It’s amazing that it took 1 week of play for Young to lose the support of posters wanting to give him a chance this year. I agree that I’d let him play out the year. Dalton isn’t the answer and honestly his winning % is poo since 2015. We just need to get to our new QB in ASAP. I guess the only problem is the development of Leggette and Sanders. Mingo’s route running looked so bad on Sullivan’s video of Young that I’m not worried about him and Johnson is a vet so we kind of already know him. It’s a balancing act of getting the top pick and advancing the young guys. I’m leaning towards the pick because we’ve already passed up Stroud, AR, Williams, Daniels and Maye. The last thing we need is the top QB in 2025 to go one pick before us.

Welcome to Panthers football the last 7 years (including 2024). While winning 5 or 7 games made draft discussion start a little later, the draft is all we have this year. Last year draft discussion would have been huge if we hadn’t traded pick #1. This year is like last year but with our top pick so draft talk starts early, well the top pick and that 47-10 ass kicking.

Fitterer was the king of this. Look at his drafts. It’s amazing how many guys fit in that try to be the smartest guy and find guys who no one else likes that we can look smart when they succeed. None of them did and thus you look like the worst GM in NFL history.

I like Ewers and think this is the season where he needs to show his next level. Two things I like about him is going into Alabama last year and playing fantastic/winning and going into Michigan this year and doing the same. Hostile environments against teams with a lot of NFL talent on D. He’s not perfect but last year was a big leap over 2022 so I like him a lot if he’s able to make another jump up in play. He’s also big enough with a solid arm.

Damn, your optimism in the preseason got dashed on the rocks of week 1. I hear you though, been down on Young since last preseason/season and down on our talent level when we allowed Fitterer full control after firing Rhule. I couldn’t stand Fitterer and never got why he should get a chance. Lots of people (some huge posters) were so blinded by Rhule like Tepper that they didn’t see the poo results from Fitterer and here we are. Being a fan of a team that you know is the worst in the league sucks balls, especially when you trade away so much including pick #1 in 2024 and pick #33 in 2025. Hard to have a 2-3 year turn around when you don’t have all the picks. We are talking a good decade of 2-5 wins with two 7 win seasons. 2018-2027. We already know 2024 is in the shitter and most likely 2025. Will we get 8-9 wins in 2026/2027?

It always has. We just pulled a fitter and picked the wrong guy.