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SMH. Just because Fitterer flopped at drafting rookie WRs doesn’t mean a rookie WR will hinder anything. We should be able to get a quality rookie WR in this strong class that can start day 1. Stroud didn’t seem hindered by a rookie WR. Flowers didn’t hurt Lamar and Addison was solid for Cousins especially with JJ out. We shouldn’t be scared of stuff because our last GM sucked. Still entirely possible we still suck at drafting since we still have the same cogs that were around him. Here’s hoping we learned or that we fired the right guy.

We’ve said the exact same thing for all of Fitterer’s reign and it hasn’t worked out yet. BPA should be the process because we have lots of holes.

It’s happened tons of times before. Also, why do people equate tanking with players and coaches? The GM/FO control a tank. Trading Burns for a 2nd and 5th is basically a tank. If you aren’t rebuilding and trying to win, you fit him into the cap which was easy to do. We turned down a huge package for him a year and a half ago and now we give him away for pennies on the dollar. One more note, lol at “happy with a dismal season.” Have you been around the Panthers after 2017?

A five year deal to me says this guy is a long term option, there after the rebuild. We do need to confirm that Young is or isn’t the guy, so that is a key part of the rebuild. I’m not sold on Young at all but if a miracle happens, that would be a large part of the rebuild. I just don’t like Robinson type deals where we aren’t getting a long term piece of the puzzle.

I doubt it will be reasonable. I liked that we seemed to be officially tanking but if we start signing 1-2 year deals for older vets that aren’t long term, we are just right back to the 5-7 win range screwing if draft slots when we need that.

I like getting something for Donte and spending money to get some real OL, but I don’t like the feeling that we maybe we have this feeling that we can rebuild but also win at the same time. If Hunt is a 5 year guy, great, we need a better OL so we can officially decide if we need a new QB but don’t spend a bunch of money on a 3 year DL deal like Robinson. It’ll be 3 years before we are contending. I don’t want some extra wins. I would rather unearth the best UDFAs and guys released on their rookie deal like Addison and Luvu for the next couple years. Get us a foundation while also drafting well. Then you spend a bucket load in FA because we’ll have a vet (Brown, maybe Horn, Diontae etc.) core and the rookies (maybe even Mingo) will have developed. Then we are competitive.

I like this move. We heard about Donte being released so nice to see we got something for him.

I agree with this. Wanna step right in and be a starter to show you should get a big contract after 1 or 2 years? Come down and see the Panthers, we’ll put that poo on everything.

It’s a good thought. Handful of vet RBs who could be available closer to the draft or after on the cheap.

I really hope so because, damn he had a really bad year. The speed rush still scares me but hopefully it really was awful preparation and work. I’m holding out some hope that Young might turn the corner as well. 2025 isn’t a good QB class so maybe we can end up with a stud DL like Garrett instead.

Iky looked bad because he was awful on the edge when he had 1 well known guy to block. Anyone with speed just ran right by him. The LG had nothing to do with that. I don’t recall seeing Moton looking bad like that all the time. Also, I recall seeing times where the LG picked up the stunt coming from Iky’s guy and Iky never got off the double to pick up the inside DL stunting to the outside. He was really bad at any stunts and reading the right guy to pick up. Our interior OL was wretched but Iky looked just as bad all on his own.

Then it’s on the GM/assistant GM to know that and make the trade, don’t you think? Listen, Fitterer and his assistant made a poo ton of mistakes. You don’t have to cover for Morgan. That’s why a lot of us were concerned when he was hired as the GM. He may figure it out and do well but you don’t have to try and paint it like someone else dropped the ball on Burns. Fitterer and Morgan did, simple as that. They should have made the trade, but barring that they should have already had a deal in place if they turn down the trade.

What? Morgan and Fitterer were the assistant GM and GM. Souleman(sp?) was the cap guy but he make the decision. Morgan/Fitt were 100% at fault for not realizing the Rams trade value plus opening up Burns’ cap space was a great deal and they were 100% at fault for not having an extension already setup. I’d be interested in what you think the GM’s job is.

Trading away 2 picks that could very easily end up being two young solid WRs for a guy who wants a big deal makes no sense. If this was a shitty WR draft and we weren’t completely rebuilding, maybe. Right now, with this draft, completely stupid. This draft reminds me of 2020 when Higgins went 33rd and Pittman was 34th right behind him. Lamb and Jefferson went in the first but Ruggs, Jeudy and Raegor all went before Jefferson. We have to hit on 33 and 39, but the WR talent in this draft is such that you could possibly come away with both Higgins and Pittman. Then again, we could get Shenault, Hamler, Claypool and Van Jefferson, the next 4 WRs taken in that 2nd round.

Man, the Bears really fleeced us bad. They had to be dancing a jig when they saw what we looked like in preseason and probably doing it again watching us not field a defense. I don’t think Moore and our two future picks could have worked out any better for them. Pick value (ignoring year since we are both rebuilding so only talent matters) was 3000 for us and 5230 for them. Then you throw DJ Moore on top. Damn Fitterer. Add in his, I’d rather have a 5th than two 1sts (2nds cancel) for Burns and we basically burned 3 1st round picks for nothing.

I understand your thoughts about a 2025 first. I might have preferred that but I will say that you shouldn’t forget that this is a loaded draft. A late first in 2025 might actually not be as good a player as pick 39. That said, it would have been nice to have extra picks (like the Rams first) and our #1 overall.

We weren’t really that good. We were 29th in scoring and we barely ever had a lead so teams didn’t need to go garbage time against us. Good news is that we can only drop 3 spots in scoring defense.

Here’s something funnier. We have retained 2 players in the first four drafts (2016-2019) and other NFL teams have 5 players from just our 2016 and 2017 drafts.

Wouldn’t have mattered. With our luck, we would have taken Simmons instead of Brown.

Robert Hunt was taken 39th, by Miami. Here’s the funny part, we took YGM 1 pick before Hunt. Thank goodness Marty and the. Fitterer didn’t want to fix our OL until it got so bad we were forced to take Iky 6th overall and sign people it looks like we are already replacing after two years.

As we should have twice before. Great opportunities squandered. I don’t think anyone is throwing the towel in on Bryce, but I do expect this to be make or break. Well, I shouldn’t say that yet. If the 2025 QB draft class is more like 2022, we might see year 3 of Bryce. If there are good QB prospects like 2020, 2021 or 2023 then I could see us using the 1st on a QB.

This is for those folks that think the cap doesn’t matter. It does. You can play around with it but it’s not unlimited forever. When you spend on JAGs to the top of the cap for 6 years and produce 2-7 wins while also trading away half your draft picks, you hit a wall, a wall we should have hit in 2020 and again in 2022. We didn’t and now we have nothing and are still running into the top of our cap so hopefully we learned our lesson and take our lumps and suck for 2025. Stinks that 2024 appears to be a helluva draft class. Maybe we can squeak out a few more good picks with Burns.

Definitely not. We were the problem. It’s not the player’s fault. I know Gettleman had his faults but this was one thing he was good at. The money Hurney and Fitterer threw around for mediocre players is unreal and they’ve only produced 2-7 wins for 6 seasons.

Doesn’t matter. The $3M roster bonus was new money owed that would have been added on to his dead cap. If we kept him this year his cap hit would have been 1M more than his dead cap plus there’d be 2M more in dead cap in 2025. Again, you save $3M. It was a bad deal in that they guaranteed his 2024 salary of $6M but that’s par for the course. We sign bad deals and don’t get the performance and then we pay basically $13M for one year.

The problem is our FO has been awful at player evaluations. Hard to blame Sanders’ agent or Elflein/Erving’s agents or any of the otherfrom signing the contracts before the ink dried.