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You mean, this: https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/28/2023-nfl-draft-panthers-owner-david-tepper-bryce-young-day-2-picks/ https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/gm-report/tepper-talks-trading-up-to-one-drafting-young-more Did you read what I posted? I said that Tepper used all the point guard lingo but he did it right before the draft on April 27th. What I also posted was links about Thomas Brown’s interview with Balboni in February. He lays out his QB as a point guard philosophy. I’m not saying Tepper is a great owner who’s made good decisions. I’m saying that all through February, March and April the coaches and Fitt said a ton about their process and agreeing on Young with no Tepper mentioned at all on the decision or point guard mentality. Tepper started talking all his BS about point guard mentality and getting FA WRs/TEs with Frank and spending money on Defense (Burns, hence the trade rejection) well after the coaches and Fitt. Why would Tepper be so mad and meeting with Frank if he made all these decisions by himself? It really amazes me that Tepper paraphrases stuff that Fitt/coaches say/do and people can’t fathom that he was told 1) we don’t need superstar WRs because Young is a point guard so we should include Moore in the trade up and 2) we shouldn’t trade Burns because we need to spend money on D since we don’t need to on offense. Anyway, I blame Tepper for the FO/coaching hires. He’s the big cheese so he shoulders the blame at the top. I just don’t get trying to make it look like Tepper made every decision to take heat off of Reich and Fitterer.

Pretty typical response. You were wrong and for some reason you can’t let go and walk away. You have to get a last response in and act all high and mighty. If you are going to post that another person is wrong and ask for proof, be Ok when the other party replies with information that invalidates your argument. I’m too old, but I like to argue and discuss stuff and I’m not the one saying “puff our your chest” and “aw you’re cute” and stuff like that. That’s you not being able to handle an actual discussion where you’re incorrect. Oh well, this will be my last post and I’m sure it won’t be yours.

SMH. Tepper has absolutely done the wrong stuff. That doesn’t mean he forced Young on Reich and Fitt.

Tepper is the new scapegoat. He’s involved but the February/March/April pre-draft articles were all from Fitt and the coaches and never mentioned Tepper. When Frank and Fitt described their “proposal” and agreeing before and after evaluations, they never mentioned anything about Tepper.

That was only reported after we looked awful in preseason and started off 0-4. Amazing that people think Tepper came up with the point guard analogy. Here’s an article on Thomas Brown in March (it summarizes an interview in February): https://carolinablitz.com/2023/03/30/change-the-math-which-quarterback-would-best-fit-thomas-browns-offense/amp/ Tepper’s point guard reference was 1-2 months after that article/original interview and right before the draft. Tepper did not create the point guard analogy.

Yes. It’s only been since Young and the team struggled that the CYA started. Same thing for Fitt excuses that it was all Rhule, now it’s all Tepper. I’ve linked plenty of articles where Reich and Fitt talked about their love of Young and how they both came to the same conclusion. Now it’s well, they really liked Stroud (it was Richardson before he got hurt) and Tepper forced their hand. People keep posting Tepper’s description of a point guard so not needing stud WRs when I found an article from Brown talking about Young as a point guard. Again, people that think Tepper came up with the analogy are guys who told us Fitt just needed a chance without Rhule and that Reich was an amazing coach with a stud cast around him. Seems to me from all the pre-draft articles from Fitt, Reich and Brown that the point guard stuff is what they told Tepper to sell him on both the trade up and the inclusion of Moore and Tepper was just regurgitating but Tepper is the new Rhule because he texts Reich all the play calls and made every draft move.

We need a few more. I just want to get through the draft knowing we didn’t give up a top 3 pick.

I completely forgot about Cohen. We’ve got a guy who hasn’t played since 2020, a guy who’s last meaningful snaps were in 2018 and we’re checking out a guy who’s coming back to football because he was caught running a Pokémon scam for millions of dollars. Damn. Oh and before we get the it’s only practice squad, the problem is we don’t even have enough young players to fill out the PS. If Gettleman was dumpster diving, we are full on living in the dump now. We’ve trading away so many draft picks in the Fitts era that we’ve got zero depth and can’t even find enough young players with any potential to fill out the roster.

Lol. Didn’t even notice this. It’s really funny when people are dead wrong and this is the best reply you got.

Is any other NFL team giving Jordan Matthews another look or bringing in a Pokémon card scammer? Sorry man, your guy is just plain terrible. This is what happens when you’ve basically traded away as many picks as we have in the past three drafts and gotten Nada out of them. I’m sorry but if I was a fan of the other NFC South teams and I saw these guys, I’d laugh a lot.

That would have worked. Using the he was worth 2 firsts and a 2nd should have been enough.

So glad he was a throw in on that deal.

It would not be surprising. I said it before that I honestly don’t expect Burns to be moved because it would be upsetting for fans to see us get less than what we turned down. Any small trades for late day 3 picks can be ignored as they are pretty much meaningless. Our rebuild won’t change with another 6th rounder.

Yep, not embarrassing at all.

Really? I mean one day after we sign Jordan Matthews who hadn’t had meaningful reps since 2018, we sign a guy who scammed people with Pokémon cards. This poo is now really embarrassing. I’m waiting for the news tomorrow that we signed Taylor Swift’s cousin thrice removed.

It shows how little depth and young talent we have.

It is embarrassing. It basically shows how many picks we gave up for crap (Darnold, Mayfield, CJ, Corral, and DJ Johnson for 9 picks) such that we have very little young talent. 31 other teams don’t have room for a 31 year old that’s been effectively out of football since 2018.

Of late? Man, it’s been 5 years since he’s had more than 33 yards in a season.

Signing WR/TEs who’s last reception was 4 years ago is a decent enough reason. He also only had 33 yards in 2019, so effectively it’s 5 years since he really played. We signed two starting FA WRs and have 2 recent round 2 WRs. We have a recent round 3 TE, signed a starting TE and have a TE we just extended, but we needed to sign a guy whose last season was 33

Is it Josh McDaniels that turned Renfro into crap? Renfro had a solid first two years going over 600 yards in each and then had that pro-bowl year 3. He missed 7 games last year but even when healthy last year and all of this year, he’s an afterthought. McDaniels offense has fallen off a cliff too.

I think we’ve seen the same bad trade ups and talent evaluation continue enough without Rhule to show that Fitt was as complicit as Rhule. Heck, even though they won’t admit it, we heard plenty of tidbits from huddlers, disappeared, that Fitt was handed the keys before the 2022 offseason since Rhule was obviously on the hot seat. Both should have hit the road at the same time and we paid the price. I’d be happy with Burns and DJ Moore but any sane GM knowing our roster limits would have jumped at 3 1sts (pick 15 and 2024/2025) and a 2nd (pick 36) to juice our talent and use the $50m a year rolled over on FAs in 2025 when Young was ready. We probably don’t finish 7-10. Two less wins and we had pick 5, three less pick 3. Would have been nice to get Young and use less picks. Instead we trade DJ for way less value than offered when we said we wouldn’t trade him and can’t sign Burns.

Lol. This is not huddle rage. It’s amazing that after proven wrong you have to post this in a completely different thread. Detroit, Miami, Jacksonville and the Jets have all made star player for multiple firsts/tanking moves in the past 3-4 years and all of them have gotten better and 3 of them look like potential perennial playoff contenders. Jets just haven’t had QB luck but they are still a better team. We, on the other hand have been handing out picks like candy and not committing to a rebuild. Guess who’s the worst team of the 5?

If Burns is off the market then there really is no point in trading anyone for late day 3 picks. Fitt has had 14, yes 14, day 3 picks in 3 drafts. The only starts we’ve had were because of injuries and only 1 of them has contributed (Hubbard) because we traded the best RB in the league for nada. We had 3 1sts (one was pick 15) and pick 36 in our hands last year for a rebuild and now we’re discussing some of our starters for day 3 picks and Burns hasn’t been extended. This is fun.

That’s season was more about Luck. He had 1 game above 94 rating in the first 6 games with 8 interceptions. In the last 10 games he had 8 games above 94 rating and 7 interceptions. Don't forget that Luck missed the entire 2017 season so he was rusty and got better. Their only loss in the last 10 games was Luck’s worst game in the last 10. If Young takes off, we do have an easy schedule.

It sure feels that way, but I still think the Chargers would win with a better coach. Staley just doesn’t seem to make good calls and know how to handle situations. Always feels like he makes the wrong calls and sometimes they get lucky but I put 90% on him.