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We basically got a 4th. The 2026 5th is worth the same as a 2027 5th plus a 2026 7th (which is worth almost nothing). I’m sure Theilen is happy but getting a 4th ain’t bad. I am still amazed at how much people feel we lost a player who wasn’t getting us to the playoffs and was going to take reps from the guys we need to be better.

They got a good deal being a potential playoff team in need. We basically got a 4th (rest of the picks basically cancel out). That’s not bad for trading a 1 more year player on a not so playoff potential team.

I’m fine ride or die. We had Theilen for 2025 and then he’s gone. We get to move up to better picks and the young guys get their opportunity. I do find it laughable that Theilen not being here might stunt Young’s growth. JFC, for all the guys who think Morgan is doing a great job, we’ve give up 2023 pick 9, 2024 pick 1, 2024 pick 32 and 2025 pick 8. If Adam Theilen being gone makes our passing offense go to poo after spending 3 top 10 picks and another 1st rounder, then we best fire the entire coaching and front office and start our rebuild the right way in 2026.

From X it said we get 2026 5th and 2027 4th and give up Theilen, 2026 7th and 2027 5th.

Woods has had 600 yards in 2 years with Stroud. He's done. Collins blew up with Stroud and had a ton more everything in Stroud’s rookie year than he did in his first two years combined. Mingo sucks but his rookie season was about the same as Collins. The Texans won 10 games with rookie Stroud. They won 11 total games in the 3 years prior. They had a poo roster before the 2023 draft. The Panthers had a better team before the 2023 draft. That was my point that Stroud (and Anderson) jumped the Texans to another level. No one thought of Nico Collins as a stud before Stroud. They were one of the worst teams in the league from 2020-2022. We won 6 more games over the same time period.

Yep, makes sense. I mean, we’ve gone to as many playoff games as they have lately, right? I know people want to gloss over our badness in recent preseasons but you are missing how bad we’ve looked. We are 32nd in preseason scoring with 23 points and that’s including many teams that have only played 2 games. Washington is the only other team that has played 3 games and has under 40 points. They have 38 points or about 65% more than us. Our offense, 1st through 3rd string has been awful.

In 2023 their roster wasn’t stacked. They nailed the poo out of the 2023 draft and since they knew Davis Mills wasn’t the guy, they tanked properly to get pick 2. They also took Cleveland’s ridiculous offer for Watson unlike us with Burns. Houston received enough draft capital to jump up to 3 while picking up the right guys in Anderson and Stroud. The Texans were not stacked or better than us in 2023. They had 11 total wins from 2020 to 2022. They didn’t have a terrible front office so they made sure they got their QB of the future while tanking well and getting more draft picks. They are a textbook study of what we should have done in 2022/2023 offseason even though people in here still think tanking is a bad word and our culture would be bad if we were the Texans. We literally had the chance to be the Texans right now and fuged it up.

Lol. This kills me. If Thielen is our most reliable WR, that’s a problem. We’ve spent two 1sts and found a gem of an UDFA in our last two drafts above and beyond the trading DJ Moore and multiple 1sts and 2nds for Young. Thielen isn’t going to be part of any future we have and if we can’t survive losing him for a 4th, that says more about us needing a new QB and another 2 WRs. After our past 3 drafts, that’s better not be the case. Either we’ve got the young WRs and QB or we don’t. Keeping Thielen at age 35 shouldn’t be a priority unless you are saying Legette, TMac and Young can’t produce without him.

We got a 6th for Little and a 4th for Mingo. Jets got a 2nd, 4th and 6th out of us for Darnold and Jax got a 3rd from us for CJ. You never know.

We started 2018 6-2. The Giants started 2018 1-7. We’ve basically been as bad as anyone since the middle of 2018. There’s nothing to celebrate when we’ve been as bad as a team who has 3 or 4 wins per season in 4 of the last 8 years. That said, I’m not going to lie, I’d actually take the Giants roster over ours right now. Really depends on QB development in the end but they’ve got 5 cheap years to our 3.

I agree. I’d make the move because I don’t see us sniffing the playoffs and let’s be honest TMac, Legette and Coker better be our top 3 future. If they aren’t and we need Thielen to replace one of them, then we need to draft yet another 1st round WR, SMH. Suffice it to say, Thielen isn’t good enough to get us into the playoffs so let’s get the young guys starting so we know if they aren’t good enough. We still have so many assumptions about whether players are who we need them to be that holding onto Thielen for 3-7 wins isn’t worth passing on a mid round pick (3rd to 5th/swaps). We’ve had some success with later round picks/UDFAs and need depth.

And Burns wasn’t Parsons. Shows again how dumb we were.

It’s really sad to see other teams doing things properly and then we keep half assing it. Tepper literally sent out a “please be patient” warning with PSL seats back when we lost Cam and Luke and it was obvious we needed a rebuild but we continued to act like we were 1 piece away and here we are with a bottom talent team where we still have to make excuses for why the team looks so bad coming out of training camp.

Yep. It’s why I was hoping we’d let Matt Corral drive the boat back in 2022. Let the young QB float or sink. If they float, you may have the answer. If they sink, you’ve got a top 3 pick so you can get your QB without having to give up the farm. The fact that Fitterer was looking at Young for 2 years means we knew we were going rookie QB in 2023 but we still did it so wrong.

And we were quite nice to the Bears to make them a much better spot to land.

Well, no Young trade and we’d be able to see what Williams, DJ and Burden could do. Along with Jalen Carter to pair with Brown.

It’s comical that we are even in the running. Dan agreed with Fitterer’s decision not to trade Burns for two firsts (Rams took Verse with one of the 1sts) and a second. Then, we realized we could sign Burns and traded him for a 2nd and a couple day 3 picks. Now, since our pass rush is worse, we are going to give away a lot more than we got for Burns for a guy 6 years older and more expensive. I guess we also wasted our 2nd and 3rd round picks?

No reason for roasting. Just like the well being of the fanbase, winning will remove the toxicity. Right now, you’ve got the realists who are looking at the 36-80 record over the past 7 years and the dreamers who keep talking about playoffs. Unfortunately, until we actually start really winning again, we’ll continue to have people want to lose for draft picks arguing with people who get upset at draft pick talk as if it’s ruining our culture. Winning improves team culture and averaging 5 wins a year for 7 years is far more powerful than talking draft picks or talking playoffs before week 1.

WTF was all of this. We haven’t won more than 7 games since 2017. We are way past some sort of statistical analysis. You are thinking way too hard to try to make it seem like we’ve gotten enough out of our draft picks. If you want to bring Young into the equation, for what we have up for him, 171 yards per game (38th) and 15 TDs (23rd, only ahead of backups/injured) is not good enough. He has to reach further to have been worth it. Amazing that it’s up for debate that we need our top 10 picks to turn into top 5/10 guys at their position in order for our talent level to get to playoff contention. It’s not rocket science to see where our bad drafting has gotten us and that our talent level needs a TMac to be a stud. I don’t want to be a mediocre team anymore. I don’t want to wonder how good a non-pro bowl level player could be for us.

I really hope so. I really do. We need that. For the others, I didn’t realize I posted in the Michael Pittman fan club forum. Pittman’s 17 game average is 88-974 and 4TDs on 130 targets as the WR1 for a bunch of vets and Richardson. KB’s 17 game average is 58-842 and 6TDs on 114 targets including some awful play with Buffalo and KC. Sorry, Pittman is a decent 2nd round pick but his results would be a disappointment for TMac at pick 8. Simple as that.

Mediocrity gets us nowhere. Pittman is just OK. Dude has gotten a ton of targets. Would I be happy with Pittman over Mingo or TMJ, absolutely, but I brought him up as a just OK WR that isn’t what we need out of TMac. Pick 8 being Pittman is a disappointment. Robbie Anderson’s best season is about the same as Pittman’s best season and Robbie was WR2 with Teddy and had 20 less targets than Pittman. Sorry, Pittman level results for our pick 8 #1 WR would be a disappointment. As I said, until we start pulling actual healthy stud, top 5 at their position or even top 10 guys with our first rounders, which have been top 10 picks for 6 years, we will stay bottom feeders. The two we did have missed 3 years of games out of 9 total years.

What I meant was Pittman is OK. Getting over 1100 yards took him 156 targets and that was his best year. JJ made Darnold look like a HOFer. JJ with Darnold had 2 less targets than Pittman yet he had over 1500 yards and 10 TDs. Mike Evans didn’t skip a beat with Winston or Mayfield. At pick 8, Michael Pittman results is not enough. Robbie Anderson had almost 1100 yards as WR2 with Teddy. If TMac is just Pittman, he’s a big disappointment. We need a top WR not a yardage accumulator due to large target numbers.

Same old poo. I didn’t see any Texans upset when they did an illegal chop block on Bobby.

I still say that Fitterer’s trades/non-trades and drafting were borderline sabotage. Once could look at what we did and feel like he was an undercover spy for us starting to unravel their solid team in 2015.

I seem to remember we were told to not worry about the Jets dismantling us in preseason with Reich because we did so well at joint practice and that’s what really mattered and we were holding back since our first two games were division games. Until proven otherwise, I’m happy football’s back but I’ve go low expectations. Definitely feel better than last year but we have no margin for error.