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He needed an agent two years ago. No way an agent lets him play year 4 of the rookie deal for like $2M as an MVP winner and then play on a 5th year option for $17M or so. He wouldn’t have had a contract issue. He’d be in year 3 of his new deal this year so $$$$s in the bank instead of having two years of missing playoffs due to injuries and the Ravens questioning if he’s worth it.

If we end up picking the wrong QB, this place is going to be awful. Every thread is going to have these posts: 1) I knew we should have taken X, he’s leading the Texans to the SB. 2) We told you Fitterer sucked. 3) At least Rhule only traded a 2nd for Darnold. 4) We could have gotten Williams (or Maye) with our 2024 1st. 5) We should have traded Burns because X has no weapons aside from a constantly hurt WR and two old farts. This place will be an utter mess so I really hope we pick the right QB, just for sanity’s sake.

Second half of Marshall’s year wasn’t almost 500 yards. I get that you think he’s got more upside than me (I dreamt of Humphrey there in an OL heavy draft), but he had 201 yards in his first 6 games and 289 yards in his last 8. He missed 3 games as well (had no targets against Giants). That’s not really almost 500 yards during the second half when he was used more. He averaged 2.5 yards per game more in the last 8 versus the first 6, so it really didn’t change much at all except that he missed games early. If Charl stays healthy, I don’t see Marshall doing much this year as WR3.

I agree. I am hoping we draft the right guys and I think we did a decent job of plugging holes but the Chark, Thielin and Hurst threads make me feel like we signed AJ Brown and Kelce. We’ve gotta lot more to do and I don’t feel like any of the FA weapons are long term options and I’ll be honest, I’m not sold on Marshall. I’m not sold on a guy with 1 career TD that came when we were down 42-7 and Cincy cleared their benches. We still need to do way better than Fitterer has done in the draft so far. Don’t give me the it was all Rhule either because even in this thread Fitterer is still getting full credit for the OL build, can’t have it both ways. He can turn me into a fan by actually hitting it in the draft. Iky and Horn were 6th and 8th and Horn’s injuries have really hurt us. Beyond that, we have one OK, but replaceable starter in two drafts, which is about as Hurney as you get. We need more from our picks.

No kidding. Dude’s gone, we sucked while he was here and we were also 6-18 in the 24 games pre-Rhule. We’ve sucked for a while. Wilks was so amazing that we got roasted by Brady to Evans to miss the playoffs again. Let’s hope we Reich the ship but damn WGAF what’s happening in Nebraska. That program hasn’t been relevant in 20 years. That’s how long it’s been since they had less than 4 losses in a year.

So funny how much heat we got saying let’s use his contract extension $$$s on two solid starters and use the 1sts and 2nd (we’d have 36/39 for a TE and WR or Edge and TE or WR and CB, any combo this year) and have the 2024 1st and 2025 1st of a team that shed Jalen Ramsey this offseason. Now people are saying franchise him after this year to make sure he plays well in the 3-4. SMH, with the cap space we could have replaced his value or 80-90% of his value with two FA D starters and put some serious young, 4-5 year contract weapons around our rookie QB this draft and the next two drafts. I still think we’ll regret not taking that deal. I’m also fairly sure the Rams are thanking their lucky stars that we didn’t take that deal so they could rebuild a bit.

Yep. He’s got a contract with no guarantee left. That’s valuable especially when you can cut him for nothing and probably get your conditional pick back.

You don’t get it. The 49ers can cut him for nothing and our conditional pick likely goes poof. They added him to compete for a spot and likely lose nothing if he doesn’t make it. If he was released then they have to sign him and add some guaranteed/bonus money competing with other teams. Gonzalez was solid in 2021 and was a higher than normal draft pick, so he’d have a market, albeit a kicker’s market.

You had me at the hater stuff. Supporting the Burns trade to Burns supporters meant we thought he sucked not we think we could get more total value from the firsts, second and cap space for FAs. It’s OK to like a player and prefer something else. That said, while many big program QBs do fail, there are still a lot of them (looking at top yardage guys this year) like Lawrence, Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, Brady and Tua. There’s also a ton of Power 5 QBs like Mahomes, Geno, Rodgers, Wilson, Goff, Jones, Cousins, etc. that came from non-big time programs but still competed in those conferences. Rodgers’ Cal teams were ranked when he was there, probably same with the others. Allen and Carr are the exceptions that were out of the Power 5.

It really is. This is sink or swim for us. Maybe both will be incredible but I’d bet one ends up clearly better. In that video, Young looks slender and a touch smaller than Smith. I can’t help but think he’s not going to last. I’m not going to lie that his size scares me.

If Fitterer agrees with you, he’s a great GM and Rhule made him do everything bad although that also means you cannot trust him because he’s never made a real GM decision. If Fitterer doesn’t agree, he forced Darnold on everyone and convinced Rhule it was the right call and compensation.

There’s no comparison. There are a bunch of HOF WRs on the “small” size. Young is on the small side of even the smaller QBs. I don’t know if he will have an issue or not, just that Smith’s size is so not relevant and might be the perfect example of apples to oranges.

Dear football gods, please let the Panthers pick the right one. We already were 1 pick from Herbert and you teased us with only 7 truly healthy seasons of Cam, so give us a fuging break for once. It would be nice to look back with my youngest (born here, big fan) in a decade and go hot damn we pulled the Manning over the Leaf.

I’m glad we extended him but Bozeman is way overrated in here. He’s not a top C, he’s an average center, which is good because it’s not a hole. Outside the top 5 OLs there’s at least one sub 40 hole (except Pats). It’s nice, assuming health will not be an issue, to have average to above average at every spot.

I really hope not. At Thielin’s current age, Proehl had one season with 561 yards and no other above 500 yard years in the other 6 years. I am hoping for a lot more production than that here from what I expect to be our WR1.

Dear lord, those stats are like the ridiculous numbers the Teddy fan boys put up there. Luck put up great stats with Wayne, Hilton and Allen/Fleener at TE. We don’t have that or even close to that and you think Young/Stroud as rookies will better that? I feel like this fan base is setting themselves up for a lot of disappointment this year expecting us to be real contenders year 1 of a rookie QB and a new staff.

That’s why I don’t want us to ignore the TE prospects for the second tier of WRs in a class where the top tier is well below recent years. Cheaper FA WRs could be better placeholders to maybe use our 2024 2nd or 2025 1st on a better, true WR1.

We have limited picks the next few years and a rookie QB who doesn’t have to win the SB this year or next. We aren’t Mahomes’ KC that was in the playoffs before he started or Burrow’s Bengals that didn’t have to trade up. It’s likely going to take us more than 2 or 3 years to get to a SB. We have to draft extra value with every pick. No more wasting picks on long snappers. You take the day 2 ranked G instead. If it’s the best TE class in years and guys in the 2nd are 1sts in other years, take advantage so that you earn back your trade value in the draft.

I can honestly say that A) I don’t recall Ian Thomas standing out the entire year and B) I would bet decent money that if released we could probably re-sign him after the draft. Also, philosophically, I disagree with your draft approach. We are not competing for a SB this year. Simple as that. Hurst is a middle of the road TE. He’s got a bigger name than his results and he’s going to be 30 before the season starts and he’s on his 4th team. At this point Hurst has 1700 total yards. Olsen at this point had already been to the pro bowl and had over 5000 yards. He’s not going to be a stud, he just plugs a hole filled by possibly the worst TE1 in the league. If we pass over a potential stud TE in this best TE class in many years for a middling WR in a not so good WR class then we are doing a disservice to our QB.* We traded away a lot to get our rookie QB. I’m fine with Hurst and Sanders, but I hope we aren’t drafting to try and fill open spots or find our DJ if the draft isn’t deep at those spots. It shouldn’t be about winning this year if it costs us way more cap than it should (FA WRs are terrible) or if we don’t go true BPA. I’m patient if the rookie flashes, we all will be. We picked a great year to need a TE, wouldn’t be good if we waste it on keeping Thomas. * Not saying don’t draft a WR this year if a good one drops, just don’t reach for a WR. DJ was the first WR taken and he dropped to 20 or 21 because it was a bad class. Maybe that happens this year and one of the top tier WRs fall.

Exactly, nice that he took a pay cut for 2 years but we’d save way more just releasing a guy who adds very little. Also, I’d rather have the TE3 spot go to a rookie in this really deep and strong TE class. Watch us pass over a stud TE at 39 now and reach for a WR that isn’t as good.

Is it? We save $2M but now he’s likely finishing the contract out as a TE2 splitting time with Tremble. His 2023 salary was $3.2M already so we would have save that and his 2024 salary if we released him. That would have also opened a spot for a rookie TE. Hurst, Tremble and rookie seems like a much better deal and more savings. Why er don’t just rip the bandaid off sometimes, I don’t know. He’s not a good blocker and he barely catches anything and now he’s not TE1.

Hahahahahaha! Completely missed that because of Burns!

No kidding and Smith already played 5 years before the 90s even started. Comparing the sizes of guys drafted 34 years apart? All you have to do is be a Panthers fan and watched games to think Burns makes zero sense as a 3-4 DE. Have his run stops are using his speed to come around unblocked to make the tackle from behind. Hey guys, let’s line him up so he has to go through the tackle and guard first.

SMH. Bruce Smith was drafted 38 years ago. The size of NFL players is drastically different and Smith was bigger. Go ahead and put Burns at 3-4 DE and see how he does.

In what world is Burns a 3-4 DE?