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It IS Panther-y isn’t it. And it’s not even really Black Cat time yet. We have guys ready to go though, and about the only ones that think this is a playoff possible team are the total sunshiners that have been saying the same thing every year. I don’t see it as some catastrophe. Yet. edit: I mean, if I called it we’d still have Foreman. Who is a banger?

They think the QB needs the help and wanted to make sure they got it. I don’t they would do the same thing again with a different QB situation, where they maybe felt better about sticking a rookie at C right now. I just keep thinking the rookie C learning protections, etc, learning the speed of the game in the NFL for the first time, that maybe that isn’t the ideal plan. They need to get it going fast because if it doesn’t go, you are going to have some confidence issues. Then the RB is there and they thought Dallas was going to make a move. And they want a strong running game and this is their guy. That’s what I think they were thinking, whether that was what they should have done? We probably won’t know if the C would have been a better move. If the QB blows chunks anyway then having a solid C moving forward would be a plus. If he does well, would he have done as well behind a learning rookie? I just think this is all about making it as easy as possible and giving every advantage they can. Cause right now the job is save this QB. Get him in the best position to operate.

Not saying I know but maybe these days the ACL is more like a flat tire than that axle. Or, like a broken belt. I try to stay open minded until I just can’t anymore. These are the last days of not knowing, truth is coming. You know, like winter is coming. We are going to see more truth in about maybe 4-5 weeks

i was sort of astounded that Tepper had a limit. That would have been a really interesting situation to be inside.

We're just little cash cows in here.

We’re first in the waiver line

well yeah, that is a maybe. It’s just what I thought they would do, not necessarily what I would do. They have done so much that I would never do, the equation would have completely different variables. I’ll stop there.

I try to be civil and reasonable. I don’t always succeed. I’ve been watching recordings and enjoying my Sundays free. I don’t look at anything that would give me the scores if I can hjelp it but even if I did it hasn’t mattered. I watch to see them play. I fast forward through all timeouts and challenges etc, and much of the play clock until they get to the line. I rewind a lot of stuff. It's still hard to see really what’s going on with their broadcast angles. Anyway, you can check out but keep up that way. Works for me. If Young does not put it together this year in a legit way and they don’t respond the way I want them to, which is drop him to backup at that point (salary is guaranteed) I am probably done after 30 years. Big decision but I can’t take the ineptitude much longer. I’m not happy with the general direction of the NFL, only thing keeping me is the home team. And Tepper has pretty much destroyed that so far.

And they just weren’t drafting a C they would start, this year. Too much on Bryce. I want one but saw that coming.

I think 30 is the going age that people give as the top of the hill for RBs and they fall off fast. Usually. Whatever that math turns out to be in Brooks’ case... there it is. There IS a variable of college carries, tread on the tires, and some people feel like more tread left after college is more you’ll have for the NFL.

'They're' hoping and ‘we’ are killing their hope with our skepticism. Pretty much. They don’t like that. The margins are so thin. And ‘we' understand that and are worried about it. ‘They' aren’t.

Voting with that one. I think we looked at CMC for nearly a year after he was not a Panther.

That’s true, I think. Or was it ‘should’? I’m not jumping off until it’s really a problem. Maybe it is maybe it isn’t. It wasn’t that microfracture stuff was it?

Man... I have something for that but will refrain.

Yeah. Agreed. But in the big scheme of things, if he works out there is a round difference and if he fails there is a round difference. At the same time he was part of a series of moves that worked out pretty well I think. I’d call the trade up putting some of your winnings back down. I would have gone Kamara (third round) in the CMC draft all day. I hear the people saying this was not wise. But again it is just one round’s worth of value. Probably not crippling. He may not be the best RB in the draft but they want pass catching too. They are trying to help the QB. If he works out it won’t be any kind of big deal. The only thing I get really upset about is future picks. Trading them for today. That’s when you have my unwanted attention for fuging up.

If we get in an argument I am pretty sure I will offer facts and attempt to give reasons for my opinions. If I have belittled you personally in an exchange between us then I am sorry it is something I try to be better than. Now, disagreeing is not belittling it is disagreeing. Peace

Yes! It is hard as poo already. So why make it harder on yourself with an outlier? That’s arguing the draft but it is relevant to his success or failure still today.

Fair enough, we probably will never agree. I am with you on Canales. That’s about it. Brady had a good enough arm. Obviously. And yeah it was better. Montana probably is too slow to succeed like he did in the modern NFL. A lot of my take comes from the athleticism that has become the standard tin the league and I don’t believe the eras can really compare with mobile type of QBs in particular. And man the Brees comps, he is so much smaller. He needs to earn those comps. we’ll see.

That and more. Because... I'll call them Field of Bryce Dreams If you criticize him they will come. I agree with a lot of what you are saying except for the personalizing. Him as a football player I am pretty much where you are. Probably don’t think he is completely unsalvageable but I don’t see a lot of winning in the cards. Did not want to draft him and was begging not to. I did not appreciate the deception at the combine but it’s the game they play. To me that is where the team needs to set their standards. That is who I would be punishing for that, they can’t see through that poo? Really? (I think they did see through it just like most people but it didn’t matter to them they had him at the top). edited lol I just saw you banned him. I guess he can still read .....

NUMBER ONE: You are insulting people that you disagree with and should check yourself and stick to cases. You referenced someone as dumb earlier and now you feel the need to write me this condescending poo: Playing NFL QB isn't just dropping back and chucking the ball. NO poo! That needs to stop.; there is no need top resort to that type of stuff I am trying to be polite and respectful while stating my opinions but I can play that insult game if that is the way you want to doi it. Okay, to your substance: Please name these great players who had no above average NFL level physical traits, and if they are from another era, that would still be great in this era of pro ball. It is just a faster bigger game than it ever was. I keep coming back to someone that had a great career with maybe sub par ability and landing on Fran Tarkenton. I don’t know if it is the best comp, but I don't think he could succeed today. Please tell me what is impossible, that I am asking for. I don’t know what that means. I have posed possibilities and certainly posed questions as to how it could work as opposed to just flat saying it can’t. A plan that acknowledging his shortcomings and compensates through scheme to make it do-able with him. And you can’t do that until you see the real player. And he ain’t Gerno Smith, to back to what you had objections to my opinion in the first place. What’s your plan?

I believe you are biased also as far as that goes. The other way. And it is difficult to have a Young conversation with you because you cannot accept anyone criticizing his football skill level. And it has zero to do with liking ‘him’. It’s football. edit: I mean, for real: What physical attribute does he have that woul;d be above average in the NFL? Anything that that grabs attention in the eye test. Something that gives him the advantage. Because I can’t find anything.

I love Jake don’t get me wrong. I know what he was doing he is always a positive guy. And when you put Jake aside, there nothing else there. The whole thing was that it was a weak take.

32 teams, you don’t get much slack. I bet the 30-50 slots have a lot of yearly turnover. edit: well at least the team knew who to invest in between the two (Burns, Brown).

All you have to do is look at Bryce on the field next to people. He should never be compared to Cam as a quarterback except by results. They are opposites. otherwise, almost. Look at how big the mic looks compared to his big head lol. And his hands, wow, huge.

I get it. This is the action before admitting failure. Due diligence, whatever. You have to make sure. Canales’ 1st job I’d say. You put him to work. With Young I can see a path to .... something better than last year. How much is the question and it totally hinges on backing the defense off and making them defend more square yards. I should have said ‘primarily’ not totally. bearhands, that has always been the story. He doesn’t physically translate to the NFL, JMO. There are no above average physical traits and you have to have something that puts you in the game with these athletic freaks. I probably mark too much off for where he was selected.... but it pretty much stands.