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I wouldn't rule out Gardner Minshew as a possible third tier option. 1st tier being Deshaun Watson. 2nd tier being high 1st round draft pick. 3rd tier being everything else.

I honestly don't care where Teddy plays next season as long as it's not in Charlotte. Any compensation received I'll view as just icing on the cake.

What he did against Clemson was special for sure. No doubt about that.

I'm significantly less sold on Fields or Lance being there, but I 100% agree that if it's not QB we should be trading down if the opportunity presents itself. IF we make a non-QB pick then the only two positions that make sense to me is LT or shutdown CB. But if we're sitting on the clock at #8 still needing a QB with none available that we want, then we probably need to be trying to secure an extra 1st in '22 because we're likely having these same QB conversations leading up to next year's draft and may need additional trade ammo to have a shot.

I'd rather draft Micah Parsons at #8 than Mac Jones and I absolutely do NOT want to draft an off the ball LB in the top 10.

He's really good at hitting his first read for a reason.

Listen, I don't knock Jones for taking his first wife open read. Hell, that's what you want your QB to do. I'm just saying that it doesn't really translate to the NFL. Herbert did it at Oregon too. That's what that system called for. He showed he was capable of much more as a rookie in the NFL. My doubts with Herbert were primarily mental. Was he capable of more than Oregon asked him to do? My questions with Jones are much more physical. Can he fit the ball into the tighter NFL windows, particularly outside the hashes and down the field? I don't know and that's why I wouldn't take him into late in the 1st at the earliest.

Yeah, when your first read is wide open and way better than the opposition that tends to work a lot.

If we get a duel threat QB I fear he may be imprisoned after one game. If someone was keeping tabs on how often Jones throws to his first read it would be a LOT.

Very different. I always said Herbert had all the physical tools you could want in a QB.

Subpar arm strength. Subpar athleticism. Then mentally, he's shown very little ability to go through a progression. He's basically shown he can succeed when his teammates are far superior to the opposition and he can throw to a wide open first read. That's just the honest truth.

This. I don't hate Mac Jones. I just hate any thought of Mac Jones in the three quarters of the 1st round. He just has way too many physical question marks. I think he's probably an NFL backup. Honestly, I kinda doubt we're interested. Rhule has talked a lot about guys who can make all the throws, etc. Jones is going to be a limited NFL thrower and I don't think we want that.

LOL! It's not like underthrows typically make highlight reels my man. Just go watch a Bama game. They're there. You asked for an example. I googled "Devonta Smith deep" and clicked on the third link on Google because it was under a minute. Then came the whataboutisms.

Brady's arm at 40+ is still stronger than Mac Jones' at 22. Brady doesn't ha e a great arm like a Favre or Mahomes or aRodgers or prime Cam, but his arm was always decent to good.

This is a typical Jones deep ball. Recover is wide open and leaving down the field. Has to slow down and track back inside to get a ball underthrown and missed wide. Only complete because the guy was wide open.

All those times wide open deep receivers have a to slow to a near stop to wait on the ball to get there. I mean, just watch a Bama game. It happens every game.

Yes. Burrow's arm is better. Honestly I didn't read the rest.

His arm is average for a P5 D1 QB. It's definitely below average at the NFL level. Don't get triggered, but it's probably on par with Teddy's

Stop. His arm is absolutely not as strong as Burrow's and "running" also means throwing on the move - something Burrow does very well and Jones doesn't. Jones has shown he can throw to wide open elite targets who are head and shoulders better than the opposing defenders behind an elite OL that is also head and shoulders better than the opposing defenders. Good luck replicating that at the NFL level. When plays broke down at LSU, Burrow still made positive things happen. If the first read wasn't wide open at Alabama (a true rarity) the play was generally a dud.

I don't expect us to target marquee names, but I do expect at least one OL starter and one secondary starter to be signed. And I mean legit starters, not some bum we shoehorn into a starting role because we hope he's better than what we currently have.

I'm a football nerd so I'm always down for this type of stuff. It makes sense too because everyone constantly needs OL.

You can't possibly watch Burrow play at LSU in 2019 and try to compare Mac Jones in 2020 to him as an NFL prospect. The stats may match up well, but there's a massive gulf between the two in terms of physical traits.

At some point in his third season Young will likely catch up to Chinn's tackle numbers as a rookie.

Yeah, I definitely understand why we opted for Turner > Norwell. Sucks Trai got fat and lazy and it sucks for the Jags that they overpaid for an average talent who works his ass off and played way over his head for a brief period on an elite IOL. Yeah, our OTs were trash, but Norwell/Kalil/Turner was a GREAT IOL. I'd still be interested in bringing Norwell back. He's a good OG. He's just not the elite OG the Jags paid him to be.

History says he'll be about the same. He just doesn't have the guts. He's a backup QB. He plays not to lose. That's the mentality you want in a backup.