LinvilleGorge

A lot of times that fifth year option is just picked up to buy another year of having a guy secured and an extension is worked out before that fifth year gets here. It's just a way to help secure a young talent and buy you time. Most fifth year options are picked up and honestly, if you're not willing to pick up a 5th year option on that position then that position should probably be off your 1st round draft board.

You can't really pay much attention to what is said in these regards. You don't get maximum value for a guy by telling the whole league you're ready to send him packing. Actions speak louder than words and you don't decline the fifth year option on "undoubtedly a key piece".

I think they likely strongly value his presence both for Bryce and the young WRs which is completely understandable and I'm all for keeping him. I'm just saying that if Renfrow can largely replicate it for a lot less money then it frees us up to make a move.

Honestly, I'd trade Thielen before I'd trade Coker. If Renfrow keeps showing out it honestly might become an enticing option if he's up for it. He'd probably just retire if we tried to ship him to Jacksonville but let's say somebody like KC for instance had interest? Not sure what their LB depth chart looks like but something like that could make a lot of sense. Thielen could go ring chasing with the best QB and offensive coach in the league and we could turn an aging WR into hopefully longer term roster building blocks.

Training camp just started and it's already starting... https://www.facebook.com/reel/24277303321904901/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v LOL No one believes you and you have fan pages sharing this with a "Play him or trade him" headline. Oh wee mayne. This is why no front offices wanted any part of this.

Honestly, it only makes sense if you're trying to chase being the best bad team you can be this year. The number one question we need answered this season is whether or not Bryce is our long-term franchise QB. Trading away a second year WR who was second on the team in catch percentage, first in yards per target, and who clearly outplayed your 1st round pick for a likely one year rental fill in LB is exactly the type of short sighted desperation moves that has made us the worst franchise in the league under Tepper. We gotta stop making these types of moves and just focus on building a good organization and a good roster. Lloyd is a JAG LB another bad team and awful defense is wavering on and a couple of Panthers fans are salivating over him. Oof. We just need to be patient and wait. Definitely make some calls around the league to teams deep at LB and see if there's an opportunity to add one for a late round pick. Definitely shop the waiver wire hard. The reality is that LB is almost certainly going to be a weakness for us this year. We weren't fixing our entire roster in one off-season and we're not fixing an overall weak positional group in late July. If you trade for Lloyd LB is still a weakness and you've given up a young promising WR who could potentially help you answer the question of whether or not Bryce is that guy. That's bad football business.

Bingo. I have no idea why people are acting like we're expecting to compete for a Super Bowl this year and acting like we suddenly have this glut of proven production at WR. The opposite is true in both cases.

Read my other posts. I've thoroughly explained why I wouldn't do this.

We don't know. You're the one acting like a LB that the second worst defense in the league is ready to move on from is ready to pick up carry the torch of Mills, Morgan, Beason, Luke, TD, etc. All the while acting like the folks saying "nah" are the crazy ones.

Yeah, logic says that if you're looking for castoffs or guys willing to be traded fairly cheaply, you're probably most likely to find those guys on a good roster, not the worst defense in the league that wasn't in Charlotte last year.

I think it's fair, I just think Coker potentially helps to answer our most pressing questions more than Lloyd does and I'm just not trying to make knee jerk decisions to try to bandaid a roster together. There will be LBs that hit the waiver wire that can fill the gap. Literally and figuratively. A big part of what made our LBs look so horrific last year was the DL in front of them and it should be greatly improved this year.

I hate to tell you this, but we're almost certainly not winning the SB this year and may not even compete for a playoff berth. I literally only care about four things this season. 1) Make the call on Bryce. He finally looked like an actual NFL QB in the second half of last year but we're rapidly approaching the point we have to make a decision if he's the guy or we need to move on and swing again. 2) Development of young pass catchers. We've spent a lot of draft capital and have a lot of unproven young bodies, who's gonna rise to the top. 3) The young rookie pass rushers. How are they looking? 4) Just overall continued development of the team and the staff. I want to see that we're heading in the right direction. Jalen Coker potentially helps with #1 and #2. Where does Devin Lloyd help? Arguably #4? Maybe? I'm keeping Coker. I have zero desire to keep trying to duct tape together the best bad roster we can manage.

With this organizations history of paying LBs the last thing I want to do is trade a promising young WR for a disappointing former 1st round LB going into a contract year. Sounds like a recipe for salary cap disaster to me.

Into the 20s! So from 32 to 29? Oh damn! Let's go!!!! Dude, he's a 1st round disappointment who the second worst D in the league is ready to punt on. We have no idea what we have at WR in our youngsters. Bryce is going into what should be his final prove it year. Yeah, I'm definitely sticking with the promising young WR. I have no idea why Coker wasn't in Minnesota and I honestly don't really care.

The Jags had the second worst defense in the league last year behind us and they're ready to punt this guy. That kinda says it all. No thanks, I'll keep my young WR who has shown some promise especially considering we only have two proven WRs on the roster one of whom is trying to work his way back into the league after a two year health related absence.

No. Stop trying to bandaid together the best bad roster we can manage. Coker has shown good potential. We can find a serviceable LB or two on the waiver wire as other teams make cuts.

He was on the same Clemson teams as Deshaun Watson. Guaranteed some weird stuff was going on in that locker room.

I'm honestly surprised they didn't just cut him on the spot. I'm sure there's something in his contract about weight and when he showed up still sloppy fat I would've just been like, "Yeah, best of luck. You really need to lose a lot of weight for the sake of your health but this is an NFL training camp not fat camp."

He didn't even do the 3 cone. He had a terrible shuttle time. Like middle of the road for a DE type of shuttle time. I think he basically put all his eggs in the 40 basket and just flat out choked. The speed and quickness shows up on the field and honestly that's all I care about.

Honestly, my interest in college sports has waned tremendously in recent years. Hard to keep up with it when you don't recognize the names of 80% of the roster because of the constant transfers. I mean, we have a kid suiting up for the basketball team this year who is like 24 and has been playing pro ball in Europe for several years. And we're not the only ones with that type of player. WTF is that??? They're really gonna have to figure out something going forward or they're going to kill the golden goose.

Sounds like UNC is heading to the SEC. This has been whispered about for years but never this loudly and widespread. I mean, you have Paul Finnebaum the guy known as the "Voice of the SEC" saying it's gonna happen now.

We needed receivers. Period. When your best receiver was an aging over the hill 34 year old vet you need receivers. I think those of you expecting T-Mac to be a slow plodding soft guy like Funchess are gonna be surprised. He doesn't have the physicality of KB but he's not soft like Funchess and he's quicker and faster than both. Expect something similar to Drake London. He had two solid seasons with trash QB play then blossomed in year three to put up nearly 1300 yards.

I'm for having a variety of receivers with different strengths. Honestly, Horn is likely to be used primarily as a return man as a rookie. Can't see finding a lot of snaps for him in front of T-Mac, XL, Coker, Renfrow, and Thielen. I mean, he's gonna be the #6 WR/return man injuries aside.

Deion annoys the poo out of me but I wish him nothing but the best in health.

Hopefully less and less as the season goes on as youngsters prove they're worthy of more snaps.