LinvilleGorge

What "context" do you speak of? The context I'm speaking of is that outside of Theilen Coker was our most effective WR last year. Do you disagree with that? The secondary context I was speaking of is just like most PFF d riders, it magically only matters when it fits your preferred narrative. When it doesn't, then all of a sudden there's some other "context" or something or the other that needs to come into play. LOL

If he wants to continue to play and is physically capable of continuing to play then I'm sure a deal will be reached. But I'm not gonna sit here and feign pity for someone who has earned a literal fortune. He'll make more this year than most wildly successful people will earn in a lifetime. Taylor Moton is gonna be just fine with or without the Panthers moving forward.

Oh, look there! Jalen Coker was a top 5 rookie WR last year according to PFF. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-most-underrated-players-all-32-nfl-teams-2025 LOL

In terms of the young receivers based on what they've actually shown on an NFL field? He is and it's really not debatable. I bet your beloved PFF would probably agree. LOL

Don't get me wrong, I hope T-Mac proves to be a legit #1 and XL shows tremendous growth over the off-season but Coker is the one who has shown that he's a legit NFL caliber WR on the NFL field.

I definitely think Coker is our most promising young WR based on his play on an NFL field.

We don't even have a definite strength. We have a lot of unproven young potential that a lot of people are trying to project into a proven strength. These guys still have to go out there and prove it on the field but some folks are ready to ship off the one youngster who has actually shown the most. That's weird.

A lot of times that fifth year option is just picked up to buy another year of having a guy secured and an extension is worked out before that fifth year gets here. It's just a way to help secure a young talent and buy you time. Most fifth year options are picked up and honestly, if you're not willing to pick up a 5th year option on that position then that position should probably be off your 1st round draft board.

You can't really pay much attention to what is said in these regards. You don't get maximum value for a guy by telling the whole league you're ready to send him packing. Actions speak louder than words and you don't decline the fifth year option on "undoubtedly a key piece".

I think they likely strongly value his presence both for Bryce and the young WRs which is completely understandable and I'm all for keeping him. I'm just saying that if Renfrow can largely replicate it for a lot less money then it frees us up to make a move.

Honestly, I'd trade Thielen before I'd trade Coker. If Renfrow keeps showing out it honestly might become an enticing option if he's up for it. He'd probably just retire if we tried to ship him to Jacksonville but let's say somebody like KC for instance had interest? Not sure what their LB depth chart looks like but something like that could make a lot of sense. Thielen could go ring chasing with the best QB and offensive coach in the league and we could turn an aging WR into hopefully longer term roster building blocks.

Training camp just started and it's already starting... https://www.facebook.com/reel/24277303321904901/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v LOL No one believes you and you have fan pages sharing this with a "Play him or trade him" headline. Oh wee mayne. This is why no front offices wanted any part of this.

Honestly, it only makes sense if you're trying to chase being the best bad team you can be this year. The number one question we need answered this season is whether or not Bryce is our long-term franchise QB. Trading away a second year WR who was second on the team in catch percentage, first in yards per target, and who clearly outplayed your 1st round pick for a likely one year rental fill in LB is exactly the type of short sighted desperation moves that has made us the worst franchise in the league under Tepper. We gotta stop making these types of moves and just focus on building a good organization and a good roster. Lloyd is a JAG LB another bad team and awful defense is wavering on and a couple of Panthers fans are salivating over him. Oof. We just need to be patient and wait. Definitely make some calls around the league to teams deep at LB and see if there's an opportunity to add one for a late round pick. Definitely shop the waiver wire hard. The reality is that LB is almost certainly going to be a weakness for us this year. We weren't fixing our entire roster in one off-season and we're not fixing an overall weak positional group in late July. If you trade for Lloyd LB is still a weakness and you've given up a young promising WR who could potentially help you answer the question of whether or not Bryce is that guy. That's bad football business.

Bingo. I have no idea why people are acting like we're expecting to compete for a Super Bowl this year and acting like we suddenly have this glut of proven production at WR. The opposite is true in both cases.

Read my other posts. I've thoroughly explained why I wouldn't do this.

We don't know. You're the one acting like a LB that the second worst defense in the league is ready to move on from is ready to pick up carry the torch of Mills, Morgan, Beason, Luke, TD, etc. All the while acting like the folks saying "nah" are the crazy ones.

Yeah, logic says that if you're looking for castoffs or guys willing to be traded fairly cheaply, you're probably most likely to find those guys on a good roster, not the worst defense in the league that wasn't in Charlotte last year.

I think it's fair, I just think Coker potentially helps to answer our most pressing questions more than Lloyd does and I'm just not trying to make knee jerk decisions to try to bandaid a roster together. There will be LBs that hit the waiver wire that can fill the gap. Literally and figuratively. A big part of what made our LBs look so horrific last year was the DL in front of them and it should be greatly improved this year.

I hate to tell you this, but we're almost certainly not winning the SB this year and may not even compete for a playoff berth. I literally only care about four things this season. 1) Make the call on Bryce. He finally looked like an actual NFL QB in the second half of last year but we're rapidly approaching the point we have to make a decision if he's the guy or we need to move on and swing again. 2) Development of young pass catchers. We've spent a lot of draft capital and have a lot of unproven young bodies, who's gonna rise to the top. 3) The young rookie pass rushers. How are they looking? 4) Just overall continued development of the team and the staff. I want to see that we're heading in the right direction. Jalen Coker potentially helps with #1 and #2. Where does Devin Lloyd help? Arguably #4? Maybe? I'm keeping Coker. I have zero desire to keep trying to duct tape together the best bad roster we can manage.

With this organizations history of paying LBs the last thing I want to do is trade a promising young WR for a disappointing former 1st round LB going into a contract year. Sounds like a recipe for salary cap disaster to me.

Into the 20s! So from 32 to 29? Oh damn! Let's go!!!! Dude, he's a 1st round disappointment who the second worst D in the league is ready to punt on. We have no idea what we have at WR in our youngsters. Bryce is going into what should be his final prove it year. Yeah, I'm definitely sticking with the promising young WR. I have no idea why Coker wasn't in Minnesota and I honestly don't really care.

The Jags had the second worst defense in the league last year behind us and they're ready to punt this guy. That kinda says it all. No thanks, I'll keep my young WR who has shown some promise especially considering we only have two proven WRs on the roster one of whom is trying to work his way back into the league after a two year health related absence.

No. Stop trying to bandaid together the best bad roster we can manage. Coker has shown good potential. We can find a serviceable LB or two on the waiver wire as other teams make cuts.

He was on the same Clemson teams as Deshaun Watson. Guaranteed some weird stuff was going on in that locker room.

I'm honestly surprised they didn't just cut him on the spot. I'm sure there's something in his contract about weight and when he showed up still sloppy fat I would've just been like, "Yeah, best of luck. You really need to lose a lot of weight for the sake of your health but this is an NFL training camp not fat camp."