JawnyBlaze

If we go WR at 39 (and hope we can snag a top tier TE with the next pick) then Flowers or Downs would also be intriguing.

I haven’t watched much, just got to 9, Parker Washington looks like a good target for the third round. Looks like a shorter DJ. Use 39 to get a TE and our third on this guy and maybe not much drop off in our receiving corps. Looks like a solid complement to TMJ. With a pick in the 4th or so maybe target a project burner to stretch the field.

No, there’s no chance whatsoever. Just because Tepper once upon a time a while ago said he likes him doesn’t mean that both his opinion hasn’t changed or that he’ll overrule the football guys and force them to take the guy he wants. It’s Stroud or Young, barring them both getting arrested for murder or something between now and then.

Again, both teams WOULDN’T know who the other is taking. The team in control (the Panthers) would NOT let it be known who they are taking. The whole thing would be predicated upon the Panthers masking their preference. The Texans would have to tell us who they’re taking in order for the Panthers to entertain a trade. They don’t want to reveal it? No trade. They reveal it and then go back on their word? Pariahs. No one will deal with them in the future. Not worth the risk. No team has ever done that and I doubt they ever will. Again, I don’t think it will happen just because it would only take one slip up to tip off the Texans who we’d want and sink the whole thing. But it is possible.

I negated nothing. You just aren’t capable of understanding. The Texans would have to tell us who they’re taking. Where did I say something that negated the Texans being honest about who they’d take? We wouldn’t say who we’re taking. It’s not dumb just because you can’t comprehend it. I’m not saying we’d be ok with either. You just aren’t very good at reading comprehension. I said very clearly we would know who we want, but we would have to hide the fact that we have a preference. It’s really not that hard to understand, you just don’t want to.

There’s no chance they wouldn’t. If a team were to lie about that, it would destroy their credibility to every other team and GM and no one would ever trade with them again. They would get the NFL scarlet letter. There’s no legal way to force them to take who they said they’d take, but the fallout from the deception would ruin careers.

One last time because you obviously don’t understand how these things work and have no interest in knowing. The trade would depend on the Panthers making the Texans think we could go either way and therefore a risk of taking the guy they want. The Panthers taking the trade would just tell the Texans that we’d be ok with either guy. That’s it. I’m done trying to help you understand a point other people were making, especially since I don’t really think this trade will happen because it has too many points of failure. But it IS possible if you understand how NFL draft trades work.

I’m sure they do know who they want and the comment about “still liking two guys” is just gamesmanship in the off chance they can hustle an extra mid to late pick out of Houston. There would be absolutely no risk if they do trade down though because they’d know who Houston is taking.

It seems a pretty good portion of the huddle don’t understand football or how draft pick trades work. They keep harping about risks and Texans wouldn’t tell us and don’t realize THATS HOW ITS DONE. They’re trying to apply non football logic to a football situation.

Yes they would, it’s standard. If you trade up, you tell the team you’re trading with who you’re taking. No team is trading down if there’s a chance you’re taking their guy

I don’t think this will happen, if only because I doubt we’ll be able to keep our preference sufficiently hidden.

Any such trade would almost certainly happen on draft night, on the clock, and we’d know who they’re picking. A team wouldn’t lie about that because then no one would ever trade with them again.

I keep seeing people saying words like “risk”, there would be no risk. We’d know who they’re taking…

I think one important detail people are missing is that the Texans would have to tell us who they’d take at 1 for us to trade with them. It’s gamesmanship, we would have to not tip our hand which QB we’re taking in order to make them think there’s a chance we’d take their guy even though we’d be ok with either, all while knowing exactly who we prefer.

The best we could probably hope for would be #34. Realistically I’d take a 3rd. Wouldn’t do the trade at all of they were targeting our #1 (hopefully Stroud) and that would make us take our 1b. If we’re dropping to 2 and getting Stroud regardless, then honestly I’d take anything, it’d be a freebie.

It’s not going to be Richardson. I could see him if we stuck at 9 or maybe if we went up to 5ish, but #1 has to play soon. Richardson will need time, I don’t think there’s any debating that. He would also be just way too risky to be giving up all those picks for.

Heh yea. I can’t think of one decent WR they’ve drafted.

Yea but according to the context of the title and thread, Moose in Chicago wasn’t as good as DJ. If it said “Chicago has never gotten a WR from Carolina as good as DJ” then yea, Moose could be argued.

that’s talking about Chicago’s history, not ours.

I love DJ though, not trying to minimize him. His absence will be missed but they’re saying the deal wouldn’t have gotten done without him so it is what it is. Getting that QB is way more important and we can get another 1200 yd WR

I dunno, Brandon Marshall was pretty good there if I recall correctly, he just didn’t stick around long enough to amass the stats. Could be I’m confusing Chicago Marshall with Denver Marshall though

If you watched every game like I did and still recite the “his first reads we’re always open” trope, then I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe some subconscious bias is making some things stick out in your memory than others? Harrison Jr isn’t a burner separation getter, he’s a circus catcher. Without Stroud’s amazing accuracy and timing putting those balls right where Harrison needed to be the one with a chance then Harrison isn’t making those circus catches and wowing everyone. OSU’s OL was inconsistent, the RBs were jags, he had a great WR and a good WR but to my eyes it was him putting the balls where they needed when they needed to be there that gave those WRs the opportunity to shine. Olave and Wilson were different, separation makers. You could say last year he usually had receivers running open. That’s not what I saw this year. I saw him threading needles, reading the entire field, hitting players in stride with anticipation like no one has done in a decade. We all have our lenses we see the same things through differently, so that’s just what I was seeing. I just hope in this case I’m right cuz I’d definitely rather put the keys to our franchise in the hands of someone I can trust to be available on game day.

My immediate reaction to the CMC trade was I hated it. After a couple days I got over the emotions and saw that it was just what was best for all parties involved. Now I see it as the catalyst that made this trade possible. We would be without #39 if we didn’t have 61, plus we have the other picks to use to move up from 39 if we want or pad out depth at LB, DL, or wherever we want if we don’t move up. Game changing trade.

That’s simply not true. Watch the games. His reads were not usually open. This isn’t a Fields situation, gotta look past the stats and narratives and look at what actually happened.

Absolutely. I’ve been saying since early in the season that Stroud was the guy. His body of work, his throws and decision making, is superior to Young or anyone else.