JawnyBlaze

Nah, when I watched him play it was painfully bad looking through an NFL QB lens. His throws are all over the place, he’s the definition of one read and run. Really good college QB, I don’t see him succeeding in the NFL at all. Maybe he could learn literally everything there is to being a QB, but the odds aren’t great.

I had forgotten that detail. Makes sense.

The day he bought the team, imo. Whatever the record was that year I don’t remember off the top of my head but I had wanted Ron gone since early in his third season and was hoping the new owner would come in and clean house. I understood why he didn’t, the optics would have been terrible no matter what. But it would have been for the good of the team, and hindsight now confirms it.

Yea honestly he hasn’t meddled enough. His only mistakes so far have been letting Hurney and Rivera stay too long then hiring Rhule. He should have “meddled” immediately and fired Hurney and Rivera, then found his GM and collaborate on finding a HC. We could have skipped the whole Rhule disaster if he had exercised less patience and moved the rebuilding process up a couple years.

People around here have been way overblowing it. He picked the wrong guy the first time. So did Richardson, numerous times in fact. But for some reason Tepper is the whipping boy around here. All of a sudden he’s a “meddling owner” despite no evidence to support it. He fuged up his first coaching hire, no denying that. Let’s see how he does the second time.

Yea, to me the difference between him doing what he’s supposed to do at a powerhouse school and, say, Fields or Matt Leinart or any of these other guys is that when he was passing to his stars he wasn’t just waiting for them to get open and then throwing it somewhere in their vicinity to make a play on. He was throwing it on a rope where only his guys could make a play on it. He was throwing through tight windows, throwing guys open, things like that. Numerous plays I saw Harrison get credit for making a good catch toe tapping on the side line we’re able to happen because Stroud put the ball in the perfect spot. And yea it was a good catch too, but the pass allowed it to happen. That happened over and over regardless of who was the receiver. I hope we can get him and I hope he can continue his growth because he’s going to be really special if so.

I think a lot of people were like that. And, no offense, but that just means you weren’t actually paying attention before. All year he’s shown his decision making, arm talent, ability to read the field, everything you want in an NFL quarterback is elite for a prospect. The only thing that isn’t elite and the only thing he is inferior to Young at is scrambling/running around behind the LoS. But he’s still good at it. Just not elite. Glad so many are coming around in Stroud, he’s been my strong #1 for months. I see him as a “the guy” easily, I’ve never seen anyone as comfortable making beautiful passes that are perfectly placed as him. Not Luck, not Cam, not Lawrence, none of the past strong #1s have been as good at placement and using the proper velocity/touch as Stroud. They’ve had other areas they were better at that made them such elite prospects, and I’m not saying I think Stroud is necessarily a better prospect than Luck. But he’s in the same area because of how good he is at that trait without any flaws to speak of.

All sounds like speculation.

Thank God

I’ve been wanting Stroud for a couple of months, nothing has changed.

Jesus man, are you just trolling or really that dense? I already thoroughly explained an example. Bucs vs Chiefs Super Bowl. If it was rigged then the Bucs and Chiefs would know the outcome before the game was played. It was influenced to give the Bucs the best chance to win. Wasn’t a matter of “don’t try too hard”. They just call things tighter one way within the confines of the “subjective” leeway cooked into the rules.

I already explained it. Rigging is predetermined outcome, only one possible outcome. Influencing is trying for an outcome but it could go either way.

They’re both cheating but there’s a difference between rigging and influencing.

Rigging is fixing the game so the outcome is predetermined. Influencing is trying to get a desired outcome but it’s not certain.

That’s what I think goes on, and I don’t even think it’s always a conscious decision. Sometimes I think it is, like with our Super Bowl and the one a few years ago the Bucs won. They lean on one team more than the other to influence the game, but no way they outright rig the game. Usually a little leaning is enough to get what they want, with how close the teams always are. A few early bad calls is all it takes to get momentum going one way then they can sit back and call it more fairly because the damage is done. The Chiefs were getting ticky tack calls against them in the first half while the Bucs were getting away with assault and that altered how the Chiefs had to play the rest of the game in order to reduce the penalties as well as changing their offense cuz they had to play catch up. The second half was called fairly because the wheels were set in motion in the first half.

Why would they make Jeff Saturday their HC, even interim? Irsay gonna Irsay.

Arguments that use where a player went to school against them aren’t worth your time. There’s no less relevant detail to use against someone. Might as well argue that because someone was born on a Wednesday they can’t play football. Ludicrous.

Since last night?! It’s over guys. I’m sure he’s forgotten the Panthers even exist with that gap in contact.

This is a reverse smokescreen. Put it out in a way that makes you think it’s a smokescreen so you discount it when it’s actually true! Masterful!

I said it elsewhere, I’ll say it here. The team was not abysmal, Rhule was abysmal. Wilks didn’t “take” the team to average, he just held them back less than Rhule. And for what it’s worth the defense got WORSE under Wilks.

Trying to use their 2022 records or the fact that Reich was fired this year (by the Colts) is as ignorant and shallow an argument as there could be. Even if you are too lazy to actually pay attention to the games Wilks coached this year, ignoring the epic failure in the game that mattered most, all you have to do is look at their history and it’s obvious Reich is far more qualified and accomplished. And that’s still not even taking into consideration the offensive vs defensive guy thing. Or the fact that despite being a defensive guy, Wilks is bad at running a defense. There is absolutely no informed argument for Wilks over Reich.

Well that’s also in a tough division and I’ve always said this team around Wilson that was getting so much hype was overrated. Good defense, decent offense. A tier lower each than the talking heads were saying. Plus Wilson was never a guy that could carry a team anyway, he needed the LoB and Lynch to carry him.

Well damn. There goes that dream

I don’t disagree, but next year seems like it’ll be another anomaly. The Bucs window is done. The Falcons are a joke on the same level as the Rhule Panthers. The Saints, IF they find a QB, are the only real threat and even then the Panthers without a QB are still a better team than the Saints without a QB so they’d have to find a better one than us. Cuz they ain’t out-coaching us.

From your fingers to God’s ear