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So you are suggesting that personal attacks should be ignored and we should all man up behind our false names and fake images. That is so badass!

I think Sanders is OUR #1---and I agree that we need better. Sanders needs to be a #2. I was also a McConkey drum beater. When you draft a RB off the operating table in the second round--there is reason to question the decision. They are found all day on day 3. Gonna be fun.

Convince me to like him too-clear my bias, in other words. I worry that Ole Miss (and Miami, for that matter) have those high-octane offenses that tend to inflate stats. Matt Carrol's stats for example. Miami and Ole Miss had the top 2 offenses in the nation. I would watch the film on Harris or Xavier xxxxxx from Miami--

THAT is what I look for at WR--does the WR extend his hands toward the ball and does the WR catch it without bobble. Secondly, how late does he raise his hands? I have not yet watched videos on the WRs, so I am getting excited reading this. I did watch some T-Mac and Luther, and I like them, but I would have 3-4 WRs from last year's class over them both...I think speed is important, but 40 speed is not the gauge--look at the 3 cone--how fast are they exploding after a cut? etc.

In fairness, I like Morgan's intent in this past draft--we got a #1 TE in round 4, a solid LB in round 3--the first two rounds were gambles--but if Brooks became solid (comparing him to Jonathan Stewart and Thomas Davis--taking liberties) and if XL works on his hands over the offseason, I think we are going to consider the 2024 draft a success. And it should be noted that we did not have our first round pick. This draft was purely long term--it told me the plan would be a 2-year process--3 if bryce had not shown signs of life. XL was the head scratcher--and what bothers me about it--they told him they were picking him and he told the media. However, if the light comes on, he can become special because he has the tools. Not sure I want to draft projects early, but we did for the past two years. I am still not sold on Bryce, but he was putting the ball where it belongs and he is much more confident now.

Just read up on him a bit--love the WR who got where he is due to diligence, hard work, focus on mechanics and details, etc. Some rely on talent and ride the wave as far as it takes them--since they did not have to work for what has, for a lifetime, been "god given" talent that has always resulted in success--I think they are simply feeling for their ceilings.

And THAT is how teams become champions--look at the Steelers' drafts in the 70s---the Seahawks in the 2000s... You become relevant on days 2 and 3 of the draft. Lately, we have been crippled by a huge dead cap and some mediocre to bad first round selections. Sure, we got a decent to good player, but at the position we drafted, there are better players drafted afterwards.

I thought Chicago made the right QB choice....I thought Atlanta was stupid (still may be) for signing Cousins and then taking Pennix. I saw the Nix Brees similarities, so when Payton took Nix, I knew he knew what he was doing--but I did not see it.

Wilson is a 1000 yard WR on a bad team...Horn has been injured more than he plays and he gets more than his share of penalties--to get something you have to give something up--We are about to have to pay Horn a max salary for part time performance--you have to factor his contract status, injury history, and the fact that he has 1 interception in over 1000 snaps, penalties--it is not as incredible as it sounds. However, I get that the quiet CB is the best CB--and there are games when you don't know Horn is out there. But if you are looking beyond the actual players and at their entire situation, it makes sense. Wilson would save you a lot of cap room vs. the Horn contract for a season. It would allow you to sign a solid DT and maybe another solid CB in free agency. So if you look at the big picture, you will see that an impulsive reaction is unjustified. It would be a risky chess move, but one that can be defended or critiqued--by people who have the ability to see the big picture and analyze multiple perspectives.

I agree that the draft has depth at WR, Edge, and I would add that I like the LB depth as well. I am not liking the depth at starting QB (I am not sure there is one) but I love the depth at developmental QBs, TE, OL, or #1 WRs--if that is a real thing (theory). I do like the WR depth overall. I think there are gems throughout the draft at WR, and it depends on the system, qb, and chemistry with the other WRs, but there are some great WRs out there drafted late or not at all.

He is not in a good situation,and it is getting to him. I think this would be a great acquisition. What would I trade for him? Imagine Wilson, AT, XL Coker and maybe a stud TE. Here is an interesting question: Would you trade Horn for him straight up? They would love the Horn / Sauce CB tandem, we would not have to pay him a king's ransom, etc. I would make the trade--injury history/salary, etc.

There have been gems found late at WR every year. Everyone is saying that we need a #1, and I get it. However, Coker and XL are rookies and they will improve--how much? Who knows. Theilen has been great, but of course, he is showing signs of aging-drives with his turn signal on and goes to Golden Corral at 4:30 for dinner. Last year was the year to grab a #1--I am not even sure the best WR in this draft will be a #1. Kids can be successful in college with suspect hands and bad route running--if they can run they get overevaluated, in my view. I think a kid who runs crisp routes, is fundamentally sound, has great hands, etc. would give us what we need--especially if we get a top TE--which may be the way to go in a down WR market and draft. Sanders is showing signs--and he would still be effective as the #2 WR. Tremble as the #3. The kid from Penn State could be the sleeper pick in round 2. Mark my wirds!!

Thanks--lotta ways to go here, and this is just one of them. We need to hire the new DC early, if that is what we do.

There is another WR who seems to be under the radar--Bech, from TCU I think. Like Legette, had a strong SR year without doing too much before that, but his hands are great--will see how he runs. Beck reminds me of AT, from what little I have seen

I think we could use a stud TE as well, and if we shift to the 4-3, a MLB. We are going to have to sign a few free agents--not sure a true #1 will be available--free agency (cost) or draft (talent). I think our time might be better spent working Coker and XL over the offseason and bringing in WR or two with a high ceiling whose stock is down. Cade Mays is slightly below average but still young--I think we have to get him more comfortable with the C position and go with him another year. Just my opinion. Defense is the priority. I was so sick of listening the announcers on TV Sunday talk about what a great job Robinson has done anchoring the middle. He has a 54.1 PFF score which is higher than I thought it would be. Shy Tuttle is at 44.1 which is illegal in 34 states. We get Brown back--huge upgrade---and we could use another--I think we are likely going 4-3, so it is possible Robinson would be better beside Brown; his cap hit will be $8m, so that is not higher than a first round DT would be. I still think you grab a DT later on day 2. In a 4-3 (assuming that is what we do) We need an Edge pass rusher to play with Clowney. On the other side of the ball, Wonnum has been getting pressures but not holding the edge well. DJ Johnson has not been getting pressures but is doing better at holding the edge. Barno is on the smallish side for a 4-3 DE, but he has looked decent in limited play. What do you do? Depends on the defense, but I would say get a stud pass rusher early--as in round 1 if possible. I also think MLB is a bigger need than advertised--Jewell has not been great--people think he is better than he is.30 and has only 60+ tackles. Understand that the DTs have not kept him clean, but at 30 with a 56 PFF score (about right, imo) we need a Beason, Morgan, Mills, Luke, etc. in the middle. From the perspective of the Panthers switching to a 4-3 (hypothetical), MLB suddenly becomes a big need, in my view.

That is exactly like I feel. Not a huge fan of the WRs this year. I do, however, like Xavier Restrepo from Miami in round 2. He has great hands and is always open. Probably more suited for the slot.

From what I read, I am not seeing that. We don't think WR is the top priority in the draft--

Take a look at our top WRs aside from XL--who arguably is our fourth best WR right now: AT (undrafted), Coker (undrafted), and Moore (7th round). You build from the inside out, back to front. I think we can get a TE, RB, and maybe even a WR on day 3 of the draft. I think we should leave days 1 and 2 with a top edge, DT, and MLB (not a Jewell fan, and if we go 4-3...) I would also need to evaluate Center but Mays has been OK and should improve. Some are arguing that we need a #1 WR, and rightly so, but XL, Coker, etc. will improve. Add some people who can catch and get open--they are not #1 WR out of college--they are #1 candidates. Fill the stall and let the fastest horse race.

Good summary

Last I saw, Giants beating Colts--they can't do anything right!

Well I guess its settled then.

If he is available, knowing what we know about probable free agents (who would come to Charlotte) and the draft, WR is almost a necessity--but if TMac and Abdul and Graham are all available, I am not sure the Panthers take TMac. The draft is deep at DT, and there are some edge players who can be developed. There are some DTs who can pressure the qb and collapse the pocket--they may be as valuable as an Edge---so it will be interesting. Gotta get WR help and it has to be top shelf help.

I can say that I love the speculation and research and debate before the draft almost as much as I do the regular season (when your team in not doing well). Tepper has shown some signs of understanding that he is not the smartest man in the war room. Morgan's draft, although I wanted Ladd I get why they did not draft him (AT), I think they saw last year's draft as year 1 of a 2 year process. They take a raw WR with upside, the top RB (but he was on the operating table on draft day)--these are long term, year 2 picks if they work out. Bad short term picks, good long-term picks. After that, Morgan was brilliant--Wallace is a player and he grabbed a fourth-round TE who is our #1 now. It is easy to look back and say, "What might have been" but this team was being run by clowns then--Fitterer and Tepper---and throw in Rhule for good measure. On defense, we are an edge and a DT from returning to glory. On offense, a WR and maybe a top TE should do it. I also say draft a QB to groom. Morgan got 3 starters (XL, Wallace, Sanders) out of the draft. That is good considering we had no first rounder going in. He got a depth player (Wade Smith) and probably a solid rotational RB (Brooks). Now he needs to do it again.

New England seems to sitting in the sweet spot of the draft because they are likely to pick second and they do not need a QB. Undoubtedly, the #1 pick will be a QB (let's say Giants), leaving New England on the clock. They can take the best player in college football and add to their cb room or their wr room. There will be interest in a trade with teams like Tennessee, Cleveland, Vegas, etc. all seemingly interested in a QB. A team moving up would not only have to pay the QB draft tax, but they would have to pay more to overcome the fact that Hunter was to be the pick. I am guessing that team might be Vegas, but watch the Browns. They have a ton invested in Watkins, so they can't afford a free agent. They can afford draft picks, however, and look to pick 5th overall (if the draft were today).

INTERESTING The Giants are the only 2-win team. Due to the Giants' strength of schedule, it is possible for them to win 1 game and drop to seventh in the draft. Having said that, I am confident the Giants will not win another game. Having said that, I am not sure I would be happy in this draft with the #1 overall pick knowing that I needed a QB. I have more confidence in Ward than Sanders, but, in my opinion, neither is ready to play in 2025.