carpanfan96

Does burns deserve more than Payne and Simmons? 22.5 and 23.5m respectively

I said when we talked the other day that. it's because of the one year or two years depending on how you judge high level pass rushing. He also has a different job, he plays strong side and is depended on to normally set and hold the edge more than rushing. He got higher stats last year because of Watt missing time and moving over. Burns has 4 years of production and 3 years of high level pass rushing.

Joey got 102m guaranteed on a 27aav years ago. Watt got 80m guaranteed on 28m aav. Ignore Crosby and Highsmith taking less than they are worth. Ignore Garret, his contract is old at this point.

Highsmith cheated himself out of millions and we've had this discussion already. Completely different situations. Yeesh Doesn't matter if the fans don't like it, the above is how the NFL works.

An NFL agent's words and not mine. "If bosa is worth 30m than Burns should get 25-27m". Bosa was worth 34m, that means Burns is worth 29-31m. The above is how the NFL actually works.

68 on 951 snaps vs 90 on 748 snaps for last season.

Burns has played 3019 snaps vs Bosa at 2432 snaps. That equates to a sack every .012 for Burns vs .017 snaps for Bosa

.22 sacks per game or 3.7 sacks a season. Just putting the numbers out for people, so they don't have to do math.

Another thing I'd like to add that I think is being overlooked here. Is that those contracts for Joey Bosa and the others were signed a few seasons ago and a lot of the value is from cap% overall. So even if say Burns gets 29m which is more than Joey got, he will be making less % based on the overall cap numbers now. Nick actually got the same cap % as his brother did back when he signed his deal. They are essentially the same contract value wise based on cap numbers

If I was to say for sure on what Burns ends up getting, this is my best guess right now. 5 years, 142.5m with 90m guaranteed

Oh and to add no way Burns and his agent accept anything below 25m because that's what Bosa is getting on average in guaranteed money. Think 28-30m on salary and 60-70% of contract value as fully guaranteed

League has values for positions based on player performance on what would be considered ltbe and nltbe

I get what you are saying but that's not how contracts work. Burns will be the 2nd highest edge player after he signs and then in 2 years he will be 5th or 6th in pay. That's how contracts work for the most part in the NFL. Best player sets new precedent and bar, then other players get little above or close to that bar and that repeats over the length of the best players contract.

Here's a website talking about it. Link

Anything thats considered unlikely to be earned would get added as a bonus to the next year's salary. It's the incentives that are considered ltbe that need to be included in the cap for the current season.

They would be considered ultbe and if he hit them, it would be added to the next seasons cap.

He was a full participant otherwise they'd have to list his as limited.

That's not how contracts are done though. Burrows is about to well be the highest paid player in the NFL by quite a bit. Parsons is going to crush this Bosa deal next year with an aav of 36-38m.

If I knew Bosa was asking for 34m and the niners wanted 31.5...then yea I'm sure all of the NFL knew.

He's going to get 80-100m guaranteed and 28-30m aav. Puts him in the new 2nd tier of pass rusher contracts.

49ers caved and went up to 34m aav, his aav guarantee is 24.5m. Completely reset the market for edges. 28-30m is 2nd tier pass rushers now. That's why Burns waited.

And Burns asking for 30m puts him in a different tier making 4m less. Smart agent.

5 year 170m with 122.5 guaranteed 49ers caved and gave him the 34m aav he was asking for.

Yea... don't know how serious the talks are but they've definitely happened. Insanity to me

We will find out today if he's going to play or not. If he plans on playing he'll be at practice going through it.