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Exactly. He did everything asked of him and he only started 1 year in college due to the talent of Alabama. Imagine what he could have done in four years.

And everything I have heard said was very positive. I guess that was just coach speak

And folks who have played in the NFL as QBs and watch film say just the opposite. Hmmm who should we believe....

So I assume your position is that if you are winning then do it by any means necessary but if you are losing then the cap issues are just more problems and not justified?

So when New Orleans restructures contracts to fit under the cap they have a genius at work, but when the Panthers do it they are blooming idiots? Can't have it both ways. BTW do you think these contracts anticipated the drop in revenue from Covid 19 and are a 1 time correction or a harbinger of the future??

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/alabamas-mac-jones-quarterback-nfl-draft-june-jones.amp Once people watch film they are seeing what others have said. Jones won't go number 1 but after starting just 1 year in college his command of the position is far beyond what you would expect. His ceiling is higher than folks give him credit.

Well obviously Alabama had the best wide receiver in college. But it isn't like Ohio State was podunk U. Do you think that the only reason that Alabama won was because of Smith and Jones hitting over 70% of his passes was just luck? He threw 41TDs and 4 ints all year. He dominated the game

If not him then someone else will take him. Jones is a legit NFL quarterback candidate and in our system would be very good. He dismantled the Buckeyes and it wasn't as close as the score made it appear. Jones was great that game and his talent around him wasn't that much better than what Fields had. The hunt for the next Mahomes has really skewed QB evaluations.

I hear that New England is interested. Then again I guess Belicheck knows nothing about great QB play.

Gettleman had 1 good draft and wiffed on multiple first rounders. His madden style churn every year started us in the hole most seasons while we tried to get everyone to gel. His negotiations were awful. He screwed up the 2016 team dumping Norman and replacing him with rookies who struggled mightily. He totally screwed up the Kalil deal took a Superbowl team and dismantled it. He was awful and he barely kept his job in New York this past year

Jones won't make it to the end of round one

Jones is the most NFL ready QB in college. I think it is easier to get someone stronger and quicker than it is to make them smarter and more accurate

The same with Jones. They compare actually favorably and some folks think New Orleans may move up if they can't land Wilson. https://rolltidewire.usatoday.com/2021/03/07/2021-nfl-mock-draft-which-team-makes-a-bold-move-for-mac-jones/

https://rolltidewire.usatoday.com/2021/03/07/mac-jones-2021-nfl-draft-mobility-richard-sherman/amp/ With all the emphasis on mobile quarterbacks, Jones may be unfairly criticized when many QBs are very successful with limited mobility. Brees and Brady easily come to mind.

This is the Panthers were talking about not New England. Alot might be an extreme exaggeration. Teddy toothpick Bridgewater didn't run much which is why he had success when he did. It was not typical of his pass it short philosophy. I am sure Jones would be that successful if not more. Is he my first choice, no, but he won't be a bad choice if we pick him. If we pick early we can roll the dice again. If we draft late next year then we might have our guy .

Everyone is taking that 1 picture of him and deciding he is dumpy and slow but if you watch him play that isn't true. He makes good decisions, is elusive and moves well in the pocket. In college guys don't focus on football alone and aren't pushed like in the NFL. He wont ever look like Cam but he doesn't need to. And if we pick up Jones and he ends up being a good backup then he was on a rookie contract and cheap, no huge deal. Versus given up to 5 or 6 first round picks between players and picks for a known quantity. Our system isn't built around a dual threat QB but a highly accurate quick thinking smart QB who is elusive in the pocket. He has a good deep ball and can make all the throws and understands the game. It is very hard to find an athletic QB who has all those qualities as well. The fact that Houston wants so much for Watson suggests how difficult and rare it is find a guy who checks all the boxes.

No doubt that Alabama is a powerhouse and they benefit from superior talent in most games. But you can't paint every QB from Alabama the same exact way. Truth is Alabama was a force because of Jones not in spite of him. And while it isn't Lances fault he didn't play but one game in 400 days it isn't something to ignore and act as if it wasn't important. And let's remember that North Dakota State in their division has a talent advantage just as big as Alabama but they have a much lower level of competition.

I know Mond is the surprise here but assuming that Simms knows what it takes as a QB to make it in the NFL given he saw a bunch, he certainly had good success and put up good numbers in the SEC. I think the most interesting is putting Jones behind Wilson and Lawrence. Seems if he was there at 8 he might be a deal if Simms track record holds.

Mayo was expendable not being their starter anymore and the Giants needing cap room. He would be a good addition on a 1 year deal with no guaranteed money as a backer/starter given how awful Whitehead was

Lance is far from assured of even being a legitimate NFL quarterback. You need more than athleticism to be a great quarterback. He is the highest risk of any QB who may be taken in the first round. Jones is a proven winner playing in a similar style to what we will employ. Funny how a guy who has played 1 game in the last 400 days is going to be better than the guy who just won the national championship.

He isn't a statue. Chris Sums has his rankings out and he has Jones thirf and says he may no have as big a cannon as some of the others guys but is athletic, moves well in the pocket and can make all the throws https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/chris-simms-2021-nfl-draft-qb-ranking/10hih93rbmjmk18ot7mmdu5kqj

I think Jones would be fine in our system. We don't need a wildly athletic quarterback. We need one who is a quick thinker, accurate and knows the game. Jones is all those things. I think the hype to find the next great athlete at QB negates all the ones over the years that have been very effective without being built like a linebacker. And seems to me it easier to take a smart football guy and make him stronger and more durable than it is to find a great athlete and turn him into a quarterback.

Not unhappy we won't get the opportunity to kill the franchise over one player. If our system is as good as Brady thinks we should be fine with a rookie QB we can develop. If we had mortgaged the farm for Watson we would not have the defense to compete in this division for years.

Great negotiating strategy to get a deal. We will pay anything. Name your price. Crazy if you aren't priceline.

That is the point with stats. They are numbers plain and simple. The analysis is key and what gives numbers context. And our system as it was run last year doesn't focus on the running back as simply a running back but someone who can block, run and catch passes which is why McCaffrey is so valuable. It isn't looking simply at a position but how that position is used by that team thus defining the value of that player to that team. That is why as valuable as Davis was last year he was a partial replacement for CMC who can do everything Davis can do and much more.