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Spoken like someone who truly did not pay attention to the texans last year to make a fair assessment. Let me educate you. You do understand the texans wr and ol were technically were never healthy last year? The o line fluctuated arguably more than the panthers. Tunsil there best guy missed significant time. Stroud took as many sacks as bryce the first half of the season and finished top 10 in sacks taken and if you add the 2 games he missed it's probably more than that. Let's also highlight the texans pretty much had no run game all year compared to the panthers who had to use the run just to move the ball. If you REMEMBER (because i know you dont) the knock on stroud was that he wasn't mobile enough to avoid pressure but actually he did just that a lot last year which also kept sack number from being even higher and HELPING his o line. Far as the receivers go, you couldn't even name a receiver on that squad coming into the season. Nobody said a word about collins prior to last year, hell...TMJr had MORE yards than he did the year before last. The guy was unknown, and when he and the other starters got hurt late in the season. Guess what? Here comes Noah brown who had almost 400 yds in the span of 3 games. Of course you gonna do the simple minded thing and tell me that's coaching but the reality is bobby slowik is not some guru. He has been a defensive coach most of his tenure in the league and never was a OC till last year. You can make a case he was only hired cuz him & Ryan's were on niners staff previous year. Thats a first year HC and a first year OC. Stroud was the one making fast reads, getting the ball out quick and showing outstanding ball placement that no other qb was doing. The point is Stroud doesn't get enough credit for being everything a franchise QB is supposed to be. He elevates the guys around him and covers up the flaws, his playstyle isn't so demanding where you need top tier talent, execution, & coaching experience around him just for him to look competent. I could keep going on this topic but this schooling shouldn't need to be this long.

No matter how much yall say this it doesn't make it true. Yall also said he would struggle going to a team that was technically worse than the panthers the year before and that didn't happen. If Reich system was more of a fit for Stroud like everybody says how is it a guarantee he wouldnt succeed? The math still doesn't make sense.

You are wrong..great Qbs always make the smart play and check it down to the open guy!

I'm not doing that at all. But by all means keep being clueless.

And that's fair. No knock of him for doing in that in his first playing time of the year. I'm just saying I want to see more from him this year or see what more he is capable of. Everybody should. The whole super processor thing for me went out the window a long time ago. Most qbs that are capable of making big plays aren't labeled as that anyway. Just show me you can be greater then the average.

The point is that this type of situation is the difference between the Kansas chiefs sticking with Alex Smith or going out and getting a game changer like Patrick mahomes. Yes...there is nothing ever wrong with making the smart safe play but there will Come a time with eventually with every qb where you start questioning are they just being smart on their decisions or is that really all there capable of because they don't have the ABILITY to take bigger chances. If you don't understand that then that's all good. You can interpret how you will. For the record, anybody questioning bryce was called a hater a long time ago. Thats nothing new..its old. And tired.

If top tier qb had the physical talent and confidence...yes they can get the ball there before the FS does.

I'm trying to understand what was everybody's expectations of plummer the first 2 games??

I mean....a top tier qb could make that throw. So if you think bryce can't then he may not be one. Which obviously is the concern.

In other words, other franchise qbs would make that throw and set themselves apart from the mediocre Qbs. Thats one of the expectations for bryce this year is to make throws that will set himself apart from the average. lm not gonna argue he won't be more productive because it will be hard to be worse than last year. It's more about within that production is he taking chances and trusting the deep ball like you said.

I thought he had more than enough time in the pocket and still held the ball too long at certain times. Definitely more than plummer had all pre season but of course nobody wants to talk about that.

Because i dont care about a specific number. That will come down to what will be required far as the team is instructed. For example, he could very well not have a substantial increase in yards and TDs because the run game is working so well but still play well despite his low number. It happens.

More tds, less interceptions and obviously more yards with more of those comimg from big plays. He only had 2800 yds passing while playing in 16 games. Is it to much to ask too improve on that to you??

Damn...I didnt even notice that lol. I did notice that his throws still look weak to me and just don't come off his hands strong. When the coverage tightens up that's gonna be a good indicator of progress.

It sounds like when we drafted Ickey and it was more polished tackles in that group. On another note I think XL will be fine it's just possible the opportunities will be far and between this year. It's just gonna come down to staff finding ways to get him involved and bryce being able to establish a connection with him.

I have already said I don't expect bryce to be worse than last year mainly because it would be really hard to be worse than what he was just looking as his numbers alone. HOW MUCH better he will be this year is the real question and what I'm paying attention too. If it's minimal improvement than is just as bad as none at all for him. This is still a number one overall pick and I'm gonna continue to treat him as such unlike other fans.

Not getting excited over torching guys that will probably be cut Monday. I thought a TD on that drive was the minimal expectation honestly after the way the pre season as gone. Anything less was a failure to me. I mean they had to go for it on 4th down to sustain the drive. But it was a better showing then last year pre season game. I still think there was emphasis on keeping the first string off the field until the staff was really confident in them. But there is no more hiding after today. Lets hope it continues.

Its almost like he is a rookie who was always learning the pro game. Crazy how your draft status gives you all kinds of excuses. Lol

Jack Plummer!!

Marshall the new slant boy!!

Well it doesn't make any since smitty because Reich probably never wanted bryce for his offense. Just putting that out there.

That is true. Hopefully he get the jitters out sooner than chase did.

Come on leggette

And this is the contrast to practice and pre season games. You start seeing the holes in your starting group when they play in real game action. You can't just go off joint practices.

Yes, but he is still holding the ball too long. That was the concern last year besides everybody just blindly blaming on the o line. He has to speed up the decision making even with an improved o line. He won't have all day.