rayzor

there's a few that's really stuck in that ditch.

agreed. if things don't turn around on offense especially with Bryce, it won't be anyone else's fault but Bryce. He's got a good receiving corps, now (including Sanders in that). He's got a good OL. He'll have a good RB crew when we get Brooks rolling. We'll have all the parts necessary for a simple clock control efficient ball protecting offense. if that ball isn't getting moved, we won't be able to blame it on anything except the one getting the ball in his hands every play. i feel that he should be better, but there's always that chance that he's just a nice kid who wasn't cut out for the big time.

he was a new shiny toy. one of these offensive wunderkinds we drool over. he was smart, maybe even brilliant...it just wasn't until the 2nd year that we saw he wasn't interested in making Cam or the offense better. he was interested in building some awesome playbook and landing a HC job. i remember comments made after one game that he called a play that didn't fit the personnel he had on the field, like the ones who had practiced it all week were on the sidelines and he hadn't even thought to look who was was on the field at the time. in fact he didn't even care who was on the field or the situation...he just called plays on a whim.

same here. i was nervous...i mean really nervous with that first game. something just didn't sit well with me. typically i want to watch the games with other people, but that one i just wanted to watch it by myself because i didn't know what to expect. turns out i had good reason to be because we sucked and there was nothing to feel good about. usually with a new QB or new coaching staff you don't expect everything to go right, but you expect to see flashes of something positive. i saw nothing and 3 games in i knew we were fugged. i'm letting myself feel good about what we're doing, but i'm absolutely not confident that it's going to be great. i'm expecting a slow ugly start and i hope it just gets less and less ugly each week.

the way it should be. the way it has to be. when you get a rookie (no matter where he is drafted), you don't expect him to play like a vet or even get a grasp on NFL offenses like a vet. if you intend to have him running the offense, you build the offense around what they do and what clicks. not Young's fault, but he was sold as someone who would be a rookie but has the mind of a seasoned vet. guess what...he wasn't. reich and "his" crew had no idea how to work with a rookie QB or groom one. they thought they knew, but they didn't and it was obvious in the lack of plan they had for him. their plan was to treat him like he was a seasoned vet. even with that, i don't think they had any clear vision not just with Bryce, but with the offense. There was no cohesion between all the various coaches. nothing fit together and reich wasn't a strong enough leader to pull it all together. i like the approach of starting over with the fundamentals and i think it's good for any new coaching staff or new QB to a system. you don't know what to expect so you start from the beginning to make sure you're on the same page from the beginning. and as you get more used to each other, you learn what works, what could really work well, and what won't work and you form the playbook around that. contrast that with chud who had been working on a playbook for years and just wanted to use it regardless of whether the situation called for it or the personnel he had (on the team or even on the field) fit what he wanted to call. or last year when we had coaches from completely different backgrounds trying to put something together that was supposed to be a blend of what each brought to the table, but just ended up being a sloppy predictable mess that didn't fit anyone on the team, QB, WRs, and OL.

Yeah fix knew it too. He knew it all of 2009 and he coached like it. The last couple years he was here he just flat gave up. I remember wanting him gone in '07. We got lucky in '08 but the writing was on the wall in '07. We weren't getting better. Hell, just hiring Jeff Davidson was him saying "fug it who needs an offense?" And heading into abd during Rivera's 2nd year a lot of us were wanting him gone as well. We saw a HC who was timid offensively and just wasn't ready for a HC gig. Poor game and clock management. I can't remember if we actually hired someone with some experience to come in and help with clock management or if we just talked about it, but there just wasn't a lot of confidence in him leading the team. Most felt he was holding it, especially Cam, back.

rhule's last year was probably the worst for me. fox's last year with clausen was pretty rough to walk into as well. i was legit pissed about the clausen pick. i tried to be ok with it, but there was nothing good about it. fox had been done for a couple years. the year after the last superbowl run when gettleman gutted the team i felt pretty miserable about the team, just defeated, and rivera just wasn't doing much to instill confidence i feel pretty good about this one. pretty hopeful. having a new HC helps out a lot. teamed up with a new GM helps even more. i like the GM, i like the coaching staff. i like the direction of the team. bryce may or may not be it, but i think we'll be better than last year. if we have to on from bryce, i think we're set up nicely for a new QB. i think bryce will be fine, though.

i rarely ever drink carbonated drinks of any kind. last night went to a cookout and all they had to drink was carbonated drinks. didn't think ahead so i didn't bring anything. i tried a can of dr. pepper and a can of pepsi...dr. pepper was much better. pepsi just didn't have much taste.

Someone wasn't thinking when they wrote that title

i just think that the separation in talent between guys like jefferson and the rest of the good ones is going to be diminishing. the level of talent that is and will be coming out of college now is just that good.

dumb. a lot of good WRs are going to keep coming out of college resulting in a devaluing the position, or at least affecting the scarcity of good receivers. you pay that much when there isn't that much talent out there. i just don't think that's going to be the case anymore.

not voting. suffering from a case of choice overload.

Same. we think we know, but until the games are being played, we don't know.

lol i see it.

I do know it's after we started cloning players.

Even then it will remain the most ridiculous division with the wonkiest results. It's a WTF? waiting to happen.

Yes.

i don't see how we could even be as bad or even close to as bad as last year. barring some complete coaching clusterfug like last year, i just don't see it happening.

Yes and definitely better than last year. 5-6 wins is hardly being a homer. Pretty fuggin realistic, tbh.

Lol it's fuggin may.

Lazy takes.

Same. Bryce just needs to get better and he needs to manage this offense effectively do that it can be top half of the league. I don't care about what his stats look like, tbh. More TDs than INTs (I'd honestly be thrilled with a 2:1 ratio), less sacks, low fumbles.

contrary to what was expected of him from pre-draft hype or where he was drafted or what it cost to move up there....he was just a rookie in the worst imaginable situation. that's what we saw...a rookie in the worst situation a rookie could be in. there's no way i can pass judgment on what he did last year because of that. again, it's probably true that most people in here are a lot smarter than me and it doesn't take more than one season of a rookie in the worst possible situation to know that he's never going to amount to poo, or to at the least know that he's never going to be one to count on, but that's not where i am. i don't judge people in their worst moments when the deck is stacked against them. if i'm going to judge at all, i do it when i see how they respond in the next moment.