OLine, Cam holding the ball too long, or bad play calling?

[TheRumGone]

That is my point--do we know how good Cam is?  He has never had much to throw to, never had a RT, etc.   However, are some of their problems based on his shortcomings?  What about the mechanics (feet mainly) that are still an issue? 

 

Last year in Denver, Manning lost his LT for the year, he lost 2 other starting linemen.  He lost his backup center and played most of the season with a journeyman free agent at C.  He had a decent cast of WRs, made better because he was their QB.  Nonetheless, his defense was not stellar, and he was asked to win shoot outs.  He did.  How did he do that?  He gets rid of the ball in 2.7 seconds.  He audibles correctly. He leads through adversity.  He does not make unforced errors.  None of these descriptors can honestly be attributed to Cam.  Cam is a better athlete with a stronger arm.  Last year, Cam had a better defense and probably a better offensive line.  Manning went to the Super Bowl.  Cam is in his prime and Manning is 38.  Why is Manning better? 

 

Can the front office give a QB elite money when it is only a possibility that he becomes elite?  Last season, Cam struggled in a LOT of games, only to put it together down the stretch and win at the buzzer. He makes a lot of unforced errors, from holding the ball too long to ill-advised passes to balls soaring over open WRs' heads.  When do elite QBs do that?   We had the second-rated defense in the league.  If we counted on Cam for all 4 quarters last year, when the OL featured Gross, Wharton, and Kalil, would we even be considering him now?

 

What bothers me the most about Cam?  He wants elite money and has never been elite--he has had elite moments.  Statistically, yes, you can find stats that support his elite status.  However, do those numbers relate to consistency and winning?  Does it bother anyone other than me that he is having a terrible year and publicly demanding "elite" money?  That is the Hurney way, a belief that you can pay a player to greatness.

 

Believe me, I wish signing Cam was a slam dunk, but I am not sure that he will be elite.  If he wants $21+million, then he better get used to playing behind role players.  He better learn to make them better.

 

Your points are understandable, and I want so desperately to believe that we can build around Cam with confidence.  I am not bashing Cam--he is the qb on my favorite team.  I didn't bash Clausen for the same reason.  I am questioning the logic of possibly making him richer without making the team better.

 

here is your problem. you are comparing Cam to the greatest quarterback to ever live.

 

second. he hasn't publicly said poo about what he wants.  what Cam has done with the lack of talent around him is pretty amazing. especially considering he is/was very raw.

 

please stop comparing a 4th year qb to the GOAT. it's dumb. i've said before Cam will never be petyon manning, tom brady or drew brees. you need to build around his skill set. he is still learning and growing.

 

[TheRumGone]

and the only "report" i heard was his agent was asking for a matt ryan type of deal. this was just some random source from his agent.

 

you act like Cam is publicly talking about his contract to the media.

 

 

 

 

[jim stone]

My sweet little 9 year old grand daughter ask me last week, "Didn't Cam break something last game?"   I told her "That's right, he broke Burlines' record for eating footballs."  First time I'd seen her facepalm.

[MHS831]

here is your problem. you are comparing Cam to the greatest quarterback to ever live.

 

second. he hasn't publicly said poo about what he wants.  what Cam has done with the lack of talent around him is pretty amazing. especially considering he is/was very raw.

 

please stop comparing a 4th year qb to the GOAT. it's dumb. i've said before Cam will never be petyon manning, tom brady or drew brees. you need to build around his skill set. he is still learning and growing.

 

 

I thought Cam wanted to be one of the greatest of all time?  He wants to be paid like one (according to his agent).  So, why is it dumb?  Why do you assume that you know what Cam has said and everyone who disagrees with you is in the dark?  Let's see how it plays out.

 

About his skill set. Exactly what is it?  Why do no teams that have won championships and dominate the league every year NOT have QBs with his skill set? Look at this year's playoff teams.  Who are the QBs?   You mention three who have less athletic ability as the greatest of all time. 

 

Andrew Luck has nothing in Indy and he has his team in the playoff race vs. a division that wins games.  He has the skill sets of the greats.  He is showing promise of become a GOAT.  Cam is regressing.  Luck is a THIRD year player. 

 

You are biased.  I wish I could say, "Cam is developing perfectly.  We simply need to pay him $22 m per season and surround him with talent."  --I see your point, just do not see the evidence to support it. I think you are being dazzled by fool's gold. Don;t call people dumb, however.  You are not in a position to do so.

[MHS831]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-around-the-nfl/0ap3000000420167/Rapoport-Newton-wants-to-be-paid-like-elite-QB

 

No, he didn't say it to the media., but insiders know.  Now explain how you know more than the insiders.