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Hornets Sign Marvin Williams

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To disagree and discuss is one thing - to write a 15 paragraph response and belittle everyone that disagrees with your OPINION is completely different. Inferiority complex....

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Keep trying...or don't, who cares? 

 

My OPINION is irrelevant. What I said is Cho operates based on his opinion, which is a fact. All GMs do. Having "a title" doesn't change that. Anyone who can't see that, or who is enamored by titles, probably deserves to be belittled, lol. 

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I like Marvin Williams' game. I also like Josh McRoberts' game. Doesn't mean that either is worth what Williams is being paid just because "I like" their games. Williams has superior athleticism and offensive skill set, but is not as good of a passer and doesn't bring other intangibles that McRoberts did like mixing it up and getting under the opposition's skin.

 

Sure, there is something to be said for having more offensive talent, but based on the style of play and toughness of Kemba, Lance, and MKG, McRoberts was the better overall fit, which makes Williams' overpay all the worse because you probably could've kept McRoberts for a million less...unless he just wanted to leave. Williams is probably better for Jefferson, though. Still, no rational person can be convinced that when the Hornets started free agency, they planned to give Marvin Williams $7M. Never would've happened if Utah didn't match Hayward, so why did it?

 

Momentary panic move or Cho brain fart after Utah matched? Desperately wanted to sign an ex-teammate of Al's? Or maybe they were just determined to overpay someone from Utah this offseason.

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I like Marvin Williams' game. I also like Josh McRoberts' game. Doesn't mean that either is worth what Williams is being paid just because "I like" their games. Williams has superior athleticism and offensive skill set, but is not as good of a passer and doesn't bring other intangibles that McRoberts did like mixing it up and getting under the opposition's skin.

Sure, there is something to be said for having more offensive talent, but based on the style of play and toughness of Kemba, Lance, and MKG, McRoberts was the better overall fit, which makes Williams' overpay all the worse because you probably could've kept McRoberts for a million less...unless he just wanted to leave. Williams is probably better for Jefferson, though. Still, no rational person can be convinced that when the Hornets started free agency, they planned to give Marvin Williams $7M. Never would've happened if Utah didn't match Hayward, so why did it?

Momentary panic move or Cho brain fart after Utah matched? Desperately wanted to sign an ex-teammate of Al's? Or maybe they were just determined to overpay someone from Utah this offseason.

Your last paragraph sums it up nicely. I'll paraphrase what you're saying....you have NO idea why he paid him that much. None of us do. All you're doing is speculating using MW's past offensive performance as a measuring stick for what salary range you "think" he belongs in. Which has been my whole point the entire time. Cho has tons of information/knowledge/insight/scouting available to him that you only get from watching ESPN and which is fractions of the knowledge that he has. So he made his decision from his opinion (as you put it) to sign him and pay him what he did based on the situation as a whole which YOU ARENT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO FULLY AWARE OF.

So again (and again and again and again and again and again) we all know you think he paid too much. Thanks for making that crystal clear. The guy is on our team and we also signed your man-crush so this really is a moot point. Time to move on. However, if you're going to keep beating this topic to death, try doing it like you're talking to someone as if they are in front of you having a conversation. Calling people morons/idiots or anything else you've used to describe people who disagree with you wouldn't work if you were talking to people face-to-face. That's a fact.

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People may look back a year from now and realize that this signing was just as important as the Stephenson signing. Not saying they are equal players, but equally important to how the team is constructed.

BTW I think Cho has proven he has a better handle of what the market is for a player like Marvin than a random forum poster

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7 million for Williams alone is steep no doubt about it, but you have to factor the signing of Stephenson into the equation. We signed 2 players for almost the same amount we were willing to pay Hayward. So we replace McRob with a more dynamic play maker & we still have a 4 to stretch defenses . Williams is here to provide a veteran presence with a lot of playoff exp until Vonleh or Zeller are ready to take over the 4

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People may look back a year from now and realize that this signing was just as important as the Stephenson signing. Not saying they are equal players, but equally important to how the team is constructed.

BTW I think Cho has proven he has a better handle of what the market is for a player like Marvin than a random forum poster

Rumor is that the Williams signing helped get us Lance, in which case, it was a great move. In any event, 14 over 2 years isn't going to kill the team.

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 McRoberts was the better overall fit, which makes Williams' overpay all the worse because you probably could've kept McRoberts for a million less...unless he just wanted to leave.

 

No, we couldnt have kept Mcroberts for $1 million less because he didnt want a 2 year deal.  Mcroberts signed for about $9 million more than Williams if you're keeping score

 

This deal was clearly structured to leave the team flexible, so (ideally) 2 years from now we will have Vonleh and Zeller taking all the minutes at PF.  If neither of those guys develop, then clearly Mcroberts would have been the better deal.  If they improve like expected though, its gonna be nice not having an aging Mcroberts getting in the way of their development still on the hook for 2 years/ $12 mil

 

It was a slight overpay, but the other PFs on the market cant shoot 3s.  Which is important for spacing when you've got Big Al in the post and MKG on the wing

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No, we couldnt have kept Mcroberts for $1 million less because he didnt want a 2 year deal. Mcroberts signed for about $9 million more than Williams if you're keeping score

This deal was clearly structured to leave the team flexible, so (ideally) 2 years from now we will have Vonleh and Zeller taking all the minutes at PF. If neither of those guys develop, then clearly Mcroberts would have been the better deal. If they improve like expected though, its gonna be nice not having an aging Mcroberts getting in the way of their development still on the hook for 2 years/ $12 mil

It was a slight overpay, but the other PFs on the market cant shoot 3s. Which is important for spacing when you've got Big Al in the post and MKG on the wing

Seems pretty obvious to me.

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No, we couldnt have kept Mcroberts for $1 million less because he didnt want a 2 year deal.  Mcroberts signed for about $9 million more than Williams if you're keeping score

 

Yeah, I said that with the expectation that you would get that I was talking about signing McRoberts to more than two years. 

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