Hornets and Nets restarts trade talks

[Omega Atrocity]

So I'll put it this way in a simple cap perspective. We are already at around $70 million committed salary if Jefferson opts in (and unless he has another run like last year he almost certainly will), and Hendo opts in (would he get $6 million anywhere else?). That doesn't include whatever deal we give Biyumbo, that's with him playing on the QO. The projected cap is $67 million next season, so unless Hendo and Al opt out, or we pull some trade off, we're capped next season regardless. So the question really is do you think Johnson is better for our team than Lance/Hendo/Marvin. If we do trade for Johnson though, there's pretty much no way our roster noticeably changes next season. It would be hard to pull off if we stand pat, but with Joe it would be impossible.

[cbarrier90]

On the trade machine, which judges win changes based on the incoming and outgoing PER, trading for Joe adds three more wins to the Hornets and decreases about the same number of wins for the Nets.

Again, take the contract out of the equation and this is a much better deal for the Hornets than it initially looked in the beginning.

Given our good track record getting bargain bin role players, replacing the bench guys wouldn't be that big of a problem, nor would they probably be any worse than our current bench situation.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

An unnamed source is reporting that this deal was discussed about a week ago when we were talking to Brooklyn about Lopez.

The same source also says that no deal is imminent.

[Omega Atrocity]

Edit: I shouldn't look up stats when I'm not sober 

 

[cbarrier90]

If all we got was Johnson for Hendo, Williams, and Stephenson our lineup today would be

Roberts

Johnson

MKG

Zeller

Jefferson

Which is an okay lineup for the East. Our bench would be beyond atrocious

But it's been atrocious all season anyway.

[Proudiddy]

I was just looking on hoopshype and one of the ny writers tweeted out yesterday evening that the hornets and Nets are no longer discussing this trade. I can't post it on my phone, but kind of a bummer.

[rscott94]

I was just looking on hoopshype and one of the ny writers tweeted out yesterday evening that the hornets and Nets are no longer discussing this trade. I can't post it on my phone, but kind of a bummer.

Bummer? That's good news to me.

 

That was an ugly ass trade IMO. To each his own

[Proudiddy]

Bummer? That's good news to me.

That was an ugly ass trade IMO. To each his own

Indeed. I just like the idea of getting an actual starting-caliber player with outside shooting ability for the next two years and then clearing 23 million off the books. He's a better player, even at his age now, then the three players we'd be trading for him, IMO.

plus, it's clear Lance will not workout here. Part of me is intrigued to see what he would do potentially as the point with Kemba out, but it just won't work. He can't shoot and he needs the ball in his hands at all times to be effective... Combine that with the lack of outside shooting and I'm just ready to move on from him and see what we can get.

[Proudiddy]

Youll be clearing that money anyway.

Hendo, Williams, Lance and Al all have expiring contracts after next year

6 million, 7 million, 9 million, and 13 million respectively. We'll be able to do some serious moves in the 2016 offseason.

Yeah, I know even if we stay as is that money will clear, so for me it really does just come down to being done with the Lance experiment.

I'd like to ha e a little more flexibility as far as not tying up 23 million in one player in the meantime, and perhaps finding a different trade for those pieces is possible, but I doubt it. I honestly think that's the best case scenario for us, as it's likely any other team wouldn't be giving up a talent of Johnson's stature in order to dump salary without wanting picks.

[rmoneyg35]

I like Joe Johnson but not only does he have a big contract but he has an injury he has been playing with this season. So why trade for damaged goods?

I don't know if you can restructure in the NBA but the only way I would want Johnson is if he restructured his contract.

I have heard much better trade ideas such as:

Kevin Martin and Thaddeus Young for Lance Stephenson, Gary Neal and a future 1st round pick (top 14 protected)

Also

Arron Afflalo and Wilson Chandler and Randy Foye for Lance Stephenson, Gerald Henderson and a 1st round pick (top 10 protected)

Supposedly we have looked at acquiring Afflalo before and he would be a pretty nice addition to our squad.

Both of these trades could really improve our team and are a lot better than the Joe Johnson trade. I honestly would prefer the trade to Denver but wouldn't complain if we did the trade with the timberwolves.

Hopefully these rumors turn into the real deal but who knows what will end up happening.

Thanks to bleacher report for the information.