Russel Wilson Contract News

[mcdougal]

Brady and Wilson's raw numbers look alike primarily because QB's just throw it more now than they did in Brady's early days.  Brady finished among the top 10 passers in the league in his second and third year.  New England had a solid defense, but nowhere near what Seattle's defense is.  I don't think Wilson has come close to being  top 10 passer yet.  He was middle of the pack this year. 

 

New York won its 2 Super bowls on the strength of its defense, holding its opponent to less than 20 in both wins. Their offense was opportunistic.   Eli Manning was thought of by many as a great qb at that point, but once the defense fell apart, he became an afterthought.  Its possible the same may happen to Wilson.  Or Seattle may stay dominant for a while and Wilson may become a hall of famer.  At this point, its anyone's guess.

 

Yep. That makes no sense. Wilson and the Seahawks are among the league leaders in LEAST pass attempts. I venture that Wilson and Brady's attempts are about even through their first 3 seasons as starters...

 

And Wilson finished, as defined by QB Rating, within the top 10 passers as well.

 

You are making absolutely no sense and making distinctions based on pure conjecture and bias, which as a Panthers fan is totally understandable. But it is simply wrong.

 

And stop. Eli Manning was NOT thought to be a good QB. He was known as a mediocre QB that threw a ton of ints and generally was a turnover machine. In addition, the Giants were NEVER thought of as a serious threat UNTIL they won. In both seasons they went to the Superbowl they barely got into the playoffs.

 

Seattle on the other hand, is in the mist what many consider a mini dynasty.

 

Horrible comparison.

[Davidson Deac II]

Yep. That makes no sense. Wilson and the Seahawks are among the league leaders in LEAST pass attempts. I venture that Wilson and Brady's attempts are about even through their first 3 seasons as starters...

 

And Wilson finished, as defined by QB Rating, within the top 10 passers as well.

 

You are making absolutely no sense and making distinctions based on pure conjecture and bias, which as a Panthers fan is totally understandable. But it is simply wrong.

 

And stop. Eli Manning was NOT thought to be a good QB. He was known as a mediocre QB that threw a ton of ints and generally was a turnover machine. In addition, the Giants were NEVER thought of as a serious threat UNTIL they won. In both seasons they went to the Superbowl they barely got into the playoffs.

 

Seattle on the other hand, is in the mist what many consider a mini dynasty.

 

Horrible comparison.

 

 

Comparing Wilson to Brady is a horrible, even laughable comparison.  They aren't remotely similar.  One is a hall of fame passer who has shredded defenses for his whole career.  The other has been a decent to good qb with the potential to get better, on a team with a superb defense and a solid run game.

 

The Giants were not thought of as a serious threat until they won?  What does that even mean.  What team is thought of as a serious threat before it starts winning?  Seattle wasn't thought of as a serious threat until they started winning.  The Giants just started a little later in the season than most teams do. 

 

And that is not even relevant to the conversation anyway.  The point is that they and Seattle were similar in that they were both teams based on defense.  That is what make them a far more valid comparison than comparing a Seattle team that is old school in that it depends on the run game and defense, and a Patriots offense

Eli Manning was not thought to be a good qb after his superbowl wins?  Are you 12 years old?  Did you watch or read any football related news during that time.  Many were saying he was nearly as good as his brother.  Do a google search. If you don't remember that, and its obvious there is not much point in continuing this conversation.  

[mcdougal]

Comparing Wilson to Brady is a horrible, even laughable comparison.  They aren't remotely similar.  One is a hall of fame passer who has shredded defenses for his whole career.  The other has been a decent to good qb with the potential to get better, on a team with a superb defense and a solid run game.

 

The Giants were not thought of as a serious threat until they won?  What does that even mean.  What team is thought of as a serious threat before it starts winning?  Seattle wasn't thought of as a serious threat until they started winning.  The Giants just started a little later in the season than most teams do. 

 

And that is not even relevant to the conversation anyway.  The point is that they and Seattle were similar in that they were both teams based on defense.  That is what make them a far more valid comparison than comparing a Seattle team that is old school in that it depends on the run game and defense, and a Patriots offense

Eli Manning was not thought to be a good qb after his superbowl wins?  Are you 12 years old?  Did you watch or read any football related news during that time.  Many were saying he was nearly as good as his brother.  Do a google search. If you don't remember that, and its obvious there is not much point in continuing this conversation.  

 

Praytell, explain to me how TB has "shredded defenses for his whole career" but Wilson has not, under your theory?

 

At little facts, shall we?

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/159408/russell-wilson-and-tom-brady-had-similar-career-starts

 

In addition, 1541 attempts for one TB first three seasons, with an average QB rating of 86. Wilson has, 1252 attempts for an average QB rating of 99. So Wilson has attempted less, and threw for more yards throughout his first 3 seasons while maintaining a higher QB.

 

Let's talk defenses, the average ranking of TB's Defense was 7th from 2001-2003. Wilson's Defense, the average ranking was 1st in his first three seasons. 1st v. 7th in the regular season...

 

In the post-season it was 17.35 points given up for TB and 19.2 points given up for RW. Meaning that TB's defense was giving up less points than Seahawks did in their post-season run.

[mcdougal]

Comparing Wilson to Brady is a horrible, even laughable comparison.  They aren't remotely similar.  One is a hall of fame passer who has shredded defenses for his whole career.  The other has been a decent to good qb with the potential to get better, on a team with a superb defense and a solid run game.

 

The Giants were not thought of as a serious threat until they won?  What does that even mean.  What team is thought of as a serious threat before it starts winning?  Seattle wasn't thought of as a serious threat until they started winning.  The Giants just started a little later in the season than most teams do. 

 

And that is not even relevant to the conversation anyway.  The point is that they and Seattle were similar in that they were both teams based on defense.  That is what make them a far more valid comparison than comparing a Seattle team that is old school in that it depends on the run game and defense, and a Patriots offense

Eli Manning was not thought to be a good qb after his superbowl wins?  Are you 12 years old?  Did you watch or read any football related news during that time.  Many were saying he was nearly as good as his brother.  Do a google search. If you don't remember that, and its obvious there is not much point in continuing this conversation.  

 

As to the rest of this: RW is APART of the running game. He had 800 yards on the ground...he heavily contributes to said "solid" running attack.

 

The Giants and the Seahawks are not anything alike. One team wins their conference on the way to the Superbowl. The other team gets hot down the stretch, barely gets into the playoffs, and surprises teams on their way to the Superbowl. One team maintains their regular season run AFTER winning it all...the other falls off the map and is generally irrelevant the season after their big run. 

 

The Seahawks win their Conference's #1 seed and proceeds to the big dance, the Giants barely secured the 6th seed and proceeds to the big dance. Two COMPLETELY different MOs of winning the Superbowl. The Seahawks did not sneak up on anybody in their runs...the Giants did as they were fairly mediocre in the regular season. 

 

AND YOU ARE SMOKING CRACK IF YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT ELI MANNING WAS AS GOOD AS HIS BROTHER EVEN DURING HIS SB RUNS.

 

The only elite thing folks said about Eli was after his SECOND SB when folks said that he was MR. FOURTH QUARTER/CLUTCH.

 

And even that lasted for just one season.

 

Just stop. There is nothing that the recent Seahawks do to resemble Giants.

 

In fact, their defenses aren't even built the same way. One is based around their secondary and the other round their d-line.

 

Just a horrible comparison. 

[gettlemanjack]

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"He has earned the money. He deserves what he's going to

get." -Jim Trotter on Russell Wilson contract talks.

[ickmule]

I'd like see them get $250,000 per year for 5 years. All guaranteed. That's about what they should make.

[logic1977]

I'd like see them get $250,000 per year for 5 years. All guaranteed. That's about what they should make.

Let's go with that. Since the nflnowners won't lower ticket prices or what they charge for merchandise or TV deals Just where should all the spare billions go?