Frank Schwab from Yahoo Sports recognizes

[Thorrez]

1 hour ago, UpstatePanther said:

Soon to be Super Bowl Champion, Super Bowl MVP, and one day Hall of Famer. 

Btw... you forgot All-Pro. This year is what... his 3rd in 5 years?! 

Cam has zero all-pro (you are thinking of probowl which are much easier to get, see: Anderson, Derek). 

[OriginalPantherDan]

2 hours ago, Thorrez said:

Cam has zero all-pro (you are thinking of probowl which are much easier to get, see: Anderson, Derek). 

Cam deserves consideration for All-Pro this year, though I doubt he will get it. Brady is still alive, right? Thought so. The voters love some Tom, even if Cam has outplayed him this year. 

[DWill]

35 minutes ago, OriginalPantherDan said:

Cam deserves consideration for All-Pro this year, though I doubt he will get it. Brady is still alive, right? Thought so. The voters love some Tom, even if Cam has outplayed him this year. 

I'm not sure how All-Pro voting works but are you seriously telling me the likely MVP of the entire league may not be an All-Pro? 

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

Me and some others here like The Huddler knew from Cam's rookie season he was in my words the "Michael Jordan of football"

Cam is going to go down as the greatest ever. ever.

[FootballMaestro]

6 hours ago, UpstatePanther said:

Soon to be Super Bowl Champion, Super Bowl MVP, and one day Hall of Famer. 

Btw... you forgot All-Pro. This year is what... his 3rd in 5 years?! 

Thanks.

Yes, Superbowl Champion and MVP are the two that I left blank (knock on wood/No Jinx). LOL

I didn't list Probowl, cause I wrote this thinking about all the Russell Wilson talk yesterday (some of the interlopers were actually bragging about Russell's Resume vs Cam). So I decided to add my own, inspired by Frank Schawbs tweet of course. LOL

Note: I added #1 Overall Pick. Though, one can argue it's a non performance based designation/honor. It sure as hell adds that impressive ass resume of his.

[FootballMaestro]

2 hours ago, DWill said:

I'm not sure how All-Pro voting works but are you seriously telling me the likely MVP of the entire league may not be an All-Pro? 

Panther fans are negative.

Many of us mentioned earlier in the year that Cam could win MVP, and that was kinda like the attitude from most. SMH

So, as you said, why wouldn't the MVP be all pro (especially when it's almost, may be unanimous).

FWIW: Yahoo's Shutdown Corner, listed Newton as their All Pro.

[Moorgan]

13 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I don't get why everyone keeps saying Cam is going to change the way the position is played, because he's not.

To revolutionalize the position like everyone likes to say he's doing, it means the league is going to move towards more QB's like him.

The problem with that is there may not be another player with his size, speed, strength, skills, etc, agin for a long long time.

so nobody is ever going to be able to duplicate what he is able to do on the field, hence him not changing the game at all, he's just playing a new game that is all his own.

I disagree with this. One of the effects Cam is having/will have is that guys that are big like him may gravitate to playing QB. Often times guys are pigeon holed in college or even high school to play a certain position because of their size. Most of the time, in high school, the best athlete just plays QB anyways. But at the bigger/better schools and in college guys often don't get to pick where they play. Cam is showing everyone that the big fast guy can still play QB. Now to be sure, not everyone will have his arm...but there are 350 million people in this country. He is revolutio0nizing the position by showing the path for elite athletes to also play QB and not Defensive End or some other position.

[FootballMaestro]

2 hours ago, OriginalPantherDan said:

Cam deserves consideration for All-Pro this year, though I doubt he will get it. Brady is still alive, right? Thought so. The voters love some Tom, even if Cam has outplayed him this year. 

He'll get it.

FWIW: The Shut Down Corner, already listed him as their All Pro QB

[FootballMaestro]

50 minutes ago, Moorgan said:

I disagree with this. One of the effects Cam is having/will have is that guys that are big like him may gravitate to playing QB. Often times guys are pigeon holed in college or even high school to play a certain position because of their size. Most of the time, in high school, the best athlete just plays QB anyways. But at the bigger/better schools and in college guys often don't get to pick where they play. Cam is showing everyone that the big fast guy can still play QB. Now to be sure, not everyone will have his arm...but there are 350 million people in this country. He is revolutio0nizing the position by showing the path for elite athletes to also play QB and not Defensive End or some other position.

I agree with that other poster, and have felt the way he did all along.

Problem is: They're a lot of smaller fast guys. They're also a lot of Big guys (as you mentioned).

However, it's nearly impossible to find a guy that has the combination of conflicting skills that Cam has.

He's a big guy, that's also very fast and agile. He's a 100% pocket passer, who's also one of the best runners in the league. And though he can do all this; he's very smart, determined; a workaholic, and coachable. Good Luck finding that, in a 6'6" 265lb body.

So yeah, you'll have some who may be able to Play QB at his size (if at all; remember it's a skill position). We've had people almost his size already, who couldn't do what he does (Daunte Caulpepper, Big Ben, Brett Farve?. They won't be able to have the collage of skillsets-all in one body and mind Newton does.

Andrew Luck can run. But he don't run like Cam. And he's sure as hell not as big and strong as him. Big Ben may be the closest. But he can't run like Cam either, though he's very elusive and strong around the pocket in his own right. Brett Farve himself, marveled at Cam's size when he met him.

Brock Osweiller's 6'8". And he's already reasonable mobile. However, can he juke 3 defenders in the open field to achieve a game winning first down (via FG) in a big time nationally televised game as Cam did vs the Giants?...Probably not.

So the premise remains true. How can you revolutionize something, when no else can duplicate it?

It's not hubris or naivete. He's arguably, a once in a generation (maybe lifetime) talent, until shown or proven otherwise.

Nonetheless, I know what you meant. Trust me I do.

[FootballMaestro]

6 minutes ago, Haplo E said:

It's like saying there won't be anymore Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant, etc. Cam from the same stock as those guys. Only difference, those guys chose to catch the ball instead of throwing it. This might change a bit. All it takes is just 3 or 4 of them in the league at once to cause chaos.

You could be right?

However, I don't see it either.

We've had big QB's before.

Now, if you're talking about pulling true DE, TE types (like Cam) and having them play QB? Now a lot of things need to happen (strong minded guys who insist on playing QB; having the skill to play the position, combined with the measurables, and study habits/coach-ability of Cam).

That's a lot of stuff to cover my friend, especially at the QB position.

It's kinda like Bo Jackson or Barry Sanders.

Have you ever seen two guys play like that (maybe Gale Sayers, and Jim Brown, Adrian Peterson)?? And of course, RB doesn't even require the skill, commitment and determination of playing NFL QB.

But I hear ya.

[Moorgan]

21 minutes ago, FootballMaestro said:

I agree with that other poster, and have felt the way he did all along.

Problem is: They're a lot of smaller fast guys. They're also a lot of Big guys (as you mentioned).

However, it's nearly impossible to find a guy that has the combination of conflicting skills that Cam has.

He's a big guy, that's also very fast and agile. He's a 100% pocket passer, who's also one of the best runners in the league. And though he can do all this; he's very smart, determined; a workaholic, and coachable. Good Luck finding that, in a 6'6" 265lb body.

So yeah, you'll have some who may be able to Play QB at his size (if at all; remember it's a skill position). We've had people almost his size already, who couldn't do what he does (Daunte Caulpepper, Big Ben, Brett Farve?. They won't be able to have the collage of skillsets-all in one body and mind Newton does.

Andrew Luck can run. But he don't run like Cam. And he's sure as hell not as big and strong as him. Big Ben may be the closest. But he can't run like Cam either, though he's very elusive and strong around the pocket in his own right. Brett Farve himself, marveled at Cam's size when he met him.

Brock Osweiller's 6'8". And he's already reasonable mobile. However, can he juke 3 defenders in the open field to achieve a game winning first down (via FG) in a big time nationally televised game as Cam did vs the Giants?...Probably not.

So the premise remains true. How can you revolutionize something, when no else can duplicate it?

It's not hubris or naivete. He's arguably, a once in a generation (maybe lifetime) talent, until shown or proven otherwise.

Nonetheless, I know what you meant. Trust me I do.

I agree Cam is special. He is revolutionizing the position because he is the FIRST. It would be ludicrous to say he is the last. The revolution is because there is a kid out there who will see Cam and realize he can play QB. Because there are coaches out there who will say ok huge, fast kid, you say you wanna play QB? I've seen Cam and will give you a shot at it. That's not to say that there's a kid right behind him that will do it. But it wouldn't make any sense to say that no one else will ever be able to do it. Cam is the revolution because he broke the mold and proved it could be done. It may be 10 years before we see someone like him but I'm positive we will. He's changing mindsets and perceptions about how kids can play the game. He's a revolutionary...because he's first.

[FootballMaestro]

46 minutes ago, Moorgan said:

I agree Cam is special. He is revolutionizing the position because he is the FIRST. It would be ludicrous to say he is the last. The revolution is because there is a kid out there who will see Cam and realize he can play QB. Because there are coaches out there who will say ok huge, fast kid, you say you wanna play QB? I've seen Cam and will give you a shot at it. That's not to say that there's a kid right behind him that will do it. But it wouldn't make any sense to say that no one else will ever be able to do it. Cam is the revolution because he broke the mold and proved it could be done. It may be 10 years before we see someone like him but I'm positive we will. He's changing mindsets and perceptions about how kids can play the game. He's a revolutionary...because he's first.

OK. I'll take your word for it.

But I think Cam's looked upon an an anomaly by most NFL people.

Have we seen another Bo Jackson or Barry Sanders since?

Look at it that way...They're been some big RB's like Bo. Earl Campbell, for example comes to mind. They're even a few big, fast guys like Bo (Hershel walker, and Christian Okoye being the closest). However, most don't have the size, speed and cut back ability like Bo. Adrian Peterson may be the closest. But he still don't make it look like Bo. It was a shame what happened to his career. Now, if you wanna say Jim Brown (as a big RB talent like Bo)? OK. That was what, 50+ years ago?...Get my drift?

And we know, we haven't seen any 5'8" 208 lbs half backs like Barry Sanders who can run like he does (shame he retired early in his "prime" after 10 yrs). Gale Sayers maybe the closest. But he was slight of build in comparison (and also 40-50 years ago).

Now, trying to find a guy who's arguably the biggest; fastest (remember RG3's not really playing); strongest; biggest arm; most competitive, durable, along with the best running ability at QB-all in one guy is just Crazy! As a matter of fact it's insane! And he's studious, coachable, and smart to boot!????

Just ask yourself, how did the "Next Cam Newton"-Logan Thomas work out?.. And of course, he couldn't run like Cam to begin with (along with some of the other things). He's out the league now, I think, as well?

Good Luck with that!

Nonetheless, I hope you're right!?

[OriginalPantherDan]

On January 7, 2016 at 6:51 AM, DWill said:

I'm not sure how All-Pro voting works but are you seriously telling me the likely MVP of the entire league may not be an All-Pro? 

Yes, but I didn't say that he wouldn't deserve it. I thought he deserved All-Pro, but didn't think he'd win because of the love affair with Brady. I'm glad he did, but I'm a bit surprised. 

[Davidson Deac II]

Cam has a rare combination of abilities that would be hard to duplicate, but there are a few that were as athletically gifted, or at least close. I think what sets Cam apart is that he hasn't relied on just his athletic ability to get by.  He seems to have a solid work ethic.  Like most of the greatest players in any sport, he works hard at getting better and improving the areas that he struggles in.