If The Carolina Panthers FO had the Same Mindset Of Tampa Bay Buccaneers FO

[SportsCrazie4172]

 

Tampa Bay record this year with a rookie QB and their Head coach being in his second year there

Regular season record ended with 6-10 

End Result to regular season = Fire Head Coach

 

Carolina Panthers record with a 2011 rookie QB (Cam Newton) and a rookie HC (Ron Rivera)

Regular season record 6-10 (Follow up with a 7-9 record next season)

End Result to regular season = Patience

 

If the Panther's organization had the same patience as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers our own Ron Rivera might be gone. Could we honestly say we would be 15-1 right now with a different coach?

I don't think so..

Just want to say Thank you to an Panthers organization that can appreciate Rome wasn't built in a day!

 

 

[Peppers90 NC]

They are Tampa for a reason. We were pretty short with Seifert but that was the right move. Fox had a solid tenure here and I think having played in the league, JR has a solid understanding of continuity.

[TheRed]

I wouldn't really compare the two situations much at all. You have to look at it as a complete picture, not just one season.

For the most part, Rivera still had the team trending upward, particularly with finishing the season strong.

As I said in the other thread, Lovie Smith is gone mainly because of his atrocious record in Nov/Dec. When you're continually finishing the season allowing your team to get the doors blown off of them, that's a problem. It's something that has plagued Lovie dating back to his days in Chicago. I can't blame the Bucs from moving on.

[Peppers90 NC]

3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I wouldn't really compare the two situations much at all. You have to look at it as a complete picture, not just one season.

For the most part, Rivera still had the team trending upward, particularly with finishing the season strong.

As I said in the other thread, Lovie Smith is gone mainly because of his atrocious record in Nov/Dec. When you're continually finishing the season allowing your team to get the doors blown off of them, that's a problem. It's something that has plagued Lovie dating back to his days in Chicago. I can't blame the Bucs from moving on.

Those are pretty good points. With the talent they have on offense, they should have been more productive. And losing the last 4 and ending 6-10 is a lot worse than winning the last 4 and going 6-10.

[SportsCrazie4172]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

I wouldn't really compare the two situations much at all. You have to look at it as a complete picture, not just one season.

For the most part, Rivera still had the team trending upward, particularly with finishing the season strong.

As I said in the other thread, Lovie Smith is gone mainly because of his atrocious record in Nov/Dec. When you're continually finishing the season allowing your team to get the doors blown off of them, that's a problem. It's something that has plagued Lovie dating back to his days in Chicago. I can't blame the Bucs from moving on.

Actually you can..

We also finished in the 2010 year finished with a 2-14 record

Last year TB finished with a 2-14 record. 

My point is that if our FO had jumped the gun and fired Ron Rivera after two seasons I don't see us being 15-1 under another coach..could it have happen, yeah but a huge part of our success is our locker room and the chemistry of our HC with his players..

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, SportsCrazie4172 said:

Actually you can..

We also finished in the 2010 year finished with a 2-14 record

Last year TB finished with a 2-14 record. 

My point is that if our FO had jumped the gun and fired Ron Rivera after two seasons I don't see us being 15-1 under another coach..could it have happen, yeah but a huge part of our success is our locker room and the chemistry of our HC with his players..

I'm not really following you here on what the 2010 Panthers season has to do with anything. That was John Fox.

[SportsCrazie4172]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

I'm not really following you here on what the 2010 Panthers season has to do with anything. That was John Fox.

I was only stating team records..I know its different coaches but both teams had same records.. 

I'm only stating that our FO has patience..

Tampa Bay gave Lovie Smith two years with a new QB and new coach..

Carolina Panthers if had done the same might not be looking at the same success with winning the NFC South three years straight and three years playoff appearances...if you don't feel its comparable then okay..

 

[KSpan]

3 minutes ago, SportsCrazie4172 said:

I was only stating team records..I know its different coaches but both teams had same records.. 

I'm only stating that our FO has patience..

Tampa Bay gave Lovie Smith two years with a new QB and new coach..

Carolina Panthers if had done the same might not be looking at the same success with winning the NFC South three years straight and three years playoff appearances...if you don't feel its comparable then okay..

 

The 2-14 record was the only similarity between Fox in 2010 and Lovie in 2014. Those situations had more or less nothing else in common.

[TheRed]

8 minutes ago, SportsCrazie4172 said:

I was only stating team records..I know its different coaches but both teams had same records.. 

I'm only stating that our FO has patience..

Tampa Bay gave Lovie Smith two years with a new QB and new coach..

Carolina Panthers if had done the same might not be looking at the same success with winning the NFC South three years straight and three years playoff appearances...if you don't feel its comparable then okay..

 

Well I certainly agree with your sentiments about patience for a head coach in general, though different circumstances were at play. But my point was about Lovie Smith's general ineptitude as a head coach the last 4 years with 2 different teams ultimately leading to his demise.

I could buy an argument that maybe Lovie should have been given one more season, but I can also see pretty well why he was fired now, for the reasons I lined out.

Anyways, no big deal.

[SportsCrazie4172]

1 minute ago, KSpan said:

 

The 2-14 record was the only similarity between Fox in 2010 and Lovie in 2014. Those situations had more or less nothing else in common.

I said that earlier that they were under two different coaches..I also stated the comparism was only in both teams having the same records for the 2-14..

The year before Lovie took over TB was 4-12 to take it there..both coaches inherited bad teams and had two seasons with less than .500 records..Lovie ended up getting fire while Rivera ended up with COY..I'm just saying patience led to success on the Panther's part..while over reaction on TB's part on Lovie's firing leaves questions..

same struggles..different results..I hope that made sense..

[jackson113]

He was fired so they can promote Dirk Cutter. We woulda had Chud.....danm that don't sound good.

[KSpan]

10 minutes ago, SportsCrazie4172 said:

I said that earlier that they were under two different coaches..I also stated the comparism was only in both teams having the same records for the 2-14..

The year before Lovie took over TB was 4-12 to take it there..both coaches inherited bad teams and had two seasons with less than .500 records..Lovie ended up getting fire while Rivera ended up with COY..I'm just saying patience led to success on the Panther's part..while over reaction on TB's part on Lovie's firing leaves questions..

same struggles..different results..I hope that made sense..

Ah - gotcha. Read your prior post as more of a Fox/Lovie comparison.

[TheRed]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000618912/article/licht-bucs-were-patient-enough-with-lovie-smith

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"When you have eight wins in two years, and three home wins in two years," said Licht, "I think they've been patient enough. It does take time, but I think while you're building a good football team, you can compete."

I can't really argue with this.