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Obligatory Dumb Thread of the Day After A Super Bowl Loss

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1 minute ago, thomas96 said:

There were many different factors in the game yesterday. The defense clearly was dominant but all our pressure was from blitzing. And there were blitzes where we still couldn't get to Manning and he completed a big pass, especially on the first drive which set the tone. Of course our D didn't lose us the game, but it could have won us the game with Hardy. And who's to say we can't add Hardy for what little it would take AND upgrade the o-line, DBs, receivers (KB coming back probably enough but we'll see), etc.? Why not try to improve everywhere? Our DE's sucked all season long. Ealy played out of his mind on Sunday and I'd love to see that consistently but until I do I don't believe he's necessarily the answer. And as I said if he does step up like that and do it consistently, AND we add Hardy we've got a better pass rush already than the "historically good" one that beat us yesterday.

why hardy and not a different pass rusher? if he wasn't a former panther would you even consider it?

regardless of your answer it's not going to happen. nobody here or almost anywhere will touch him. maybe rex ryan will try to bring him up to buffalo to stand up and rush the passer or something. but he's not coming here

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Just now, PhillyB said:

why hardy and not a different pass rusher? if he wasn't a former panther would you even consider it?

regardless of your answer it's not going to happen. nobody here or almost anywhere will touch him. maybe rex ryan will try to bring him up to buffalo to stand up and rush the passer or something. but he's not coming here

I agree that it probably won't happen, but can we honestly afford to pay a DE right now? As I posted before a DE we take at 30 won't have an impact for a while, if at all and there's no other pass rusher of Hardy's caliber available that we could afford. Hardy is a legitimately elite pass rusher that would come for relative peanuts because as you said nobody will want to touch him if he can't even last with Jerry Jones. I do think Carolina is the best possible situation for him and getting a second change here would keep him in line. As to your second question, probably not but only because I wouldn't know as much about Hardy as I do from having watched him since his rookie year here. If he were on another team I'd not care enough to look more into him and would see the media stuff about him and probably believe it and say it's not worth the headache. But following the Holder case closely as we all did here, and knowing Hardy in the locker room here I don't think he's that big of a risk.

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I agree that it probably won't happen, but can we honestly afford to pay a DE right now? As I posted before a DE we take at 30 won't have an impact for a while, if at all and there's no other pass rusher of Hardy's caliber available that we could afford. Hardy is a legitimately elite pass rusher that would come for relative peanuts because as you said nobody will want to touch him if he can't even last with Jerry Jones. I do think Carolina is the best possible situation for him and getting a second change here would keep him in line. As to your second question, probably not but only because I wouldn't know as much about Hardy as I do from having watched him since his rookie year here. If he were on another team I'd not care enough to look more into him and would see the media stuff about him and probably believe it and say it's not worth the headache. But following the Holder case closely as we all did here, and knowing Hardy in the locker room here I don't think he's that big of a risk.

i'm not sure we need one. ealy has clearly locked his side of the line down. CJ is probably gone, allen is probably gone, and addison isn't a bad rotational guy. that lets us go after a rotational free agent that can start if he has to (gettleman style here) and then draft a guy if he falls to us, which is the most likely scenario.

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1 minute ago, PhillyB said:

i'm not sure we need one. ealy has clearly locked his side of the line down. CJ is probably gone, allen is probably gone, and addison isn't a bad rotational guy. that lets us go after a rotational free agent that can start if he has to (gettleman style here) and then draft a guy if he falls to us, which is the most likely scenario.

I don't think we necessarily need one either to win it all next year, but please admit that DE is a weakness right now. Can we win with rotational guys? Maybe. But why not try to upgrade it with the opportunity we could have with Hardy available? Ealy doesn't clearly have anything locked. He had an amazing Super Bowl and I was extremely happy with his performance. But both his first two years he's had a great game here and there and then disappeared for a month, and has struggled with penalties his entire career. I really like Ealy and hope he does break out and do this consistently, but that's by no means guaranteed or even necessarily realistic until we see more. Addison is a pure speed rusher. That's all he can do. Can't stop the run or beat a tackle any other way. I like him in his rotational role but not as a starter. Allen and CJ are both trash now, I hate to say it. CJ definitely gone, I could see Allen coming back for vet min. on a new contract and being a rotational guy who can stop the run and produce a little bit of pressure for us but he better not be starting if we keep him. Hardy, Ealy, KK and Star as our starters? We could be having flashes of 2013 again. Then on passing downs take Star out, kick Hardy or Ealy inside and bring Addison in... Hardy is a game changer, and one that could come at a low cost. Don't see a reason not to try to add him.

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