Remember when everyone was angry that the Panthers cut WR Jarrett Boykin last year....

[csx]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Boykin may just be better than Norwood. His preseason was better than several of our receivers'. He came in, played motivated and made some catches. IIRC, he was a hometown kid to boot. Now, I guess he's been made into a joke, and perhaps  a target of revisionist history. 

That's the Huddle for you.

It will never work on me however. I know what I see. I know the circumstances. I compare stats. 

I think that it's safe to say at this point that we could have easily kept Boykin, especially considering what we already had, and we probably wouldn't have noticed any dropoff (and may have seen an improvement). Moreover, I believe that the Norwood pick was a little bit reactionary, and unnecessary in retrospect. 

 

Boykin was cut after the trade for Norwood and during the first roster trimming. It's safe to say the team was not interested in him. If they felt in any way that he had value here he would have been kept and the trade would not have been made. 

[top dawg]

14 minutes ago, csx said:

Boykin was cut after the trade for Norwood and during the first roster trimming. It's safe to say the team was not interested in him. If they felt in any way that he had value here he would have been kept and the trade would not have been made. 

Well that's pretty obvious, but that doesn't negate my thoughts on the matter. 

 

[Proudiddy]

From my perspective, i hated the signing when it was made.  I think a lot of the backlash when he was cut wasn't because anyone thought he was great, it was because he was the only real FA acquisition made at our weakest position going into the last offseason.  So, whether people liked shat they saw or not, they hoped it would work because we had no other FA help.  

And ultimately, the lack of the weapons at the position was exposed fully in the Superbowl.  But, hopefully Funchess has truly improved and Stephen Hill is remade into a legit 2 or 3, and those days of Boykin rage will be long since forgotten.

[top dawg]

"Anger" and "rage" are too strong o' terms. Spirited disappointment is more like it.

[TheRed]

13 hours ago, top dawg said:

Boykin may just be better than Norwood. His preseason was better than several of our receivers'. He came in, played motivated and made some catches. IIRC, he was a hometown kid to boot. Now, I guess he's been made into a joke, and perhaps  a target of revisionist history. 

That's the Huddle for you.

It will never work on me however. I know what I see. I know the circumstances. I compare stats. 

I think that it's safe to say at this point that we could have easily kept Boykin, especially considering what we already had, and we probably wouldn't have noticed any dropoff (and may have seen an improvement). Moreover, I believe that the Norwood pick was a little bit reactionary, and unnecessary in retrospect. 

 

Boykin spent the entire 2015 season out of football.

Just how did that diamond in the rough make it past 31 other teams without so much as one contract offer? Why would they not have consulted with the premier wide receiver talent evaluater known as top dawg?

[top dawg]

5 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Boykin spent the entire 2015 season out of football.

Just how did that diamond in the rough make it past 31 other teams without so much as one contract offer? Why would they not have consulted with the premier wide receiver talent evaluater known as top dawg?

Be sarcastic all you like, and hang upon every GM's word with baited breath, including Gettleman, like every decision that they make is the absolutely correct one, flawless and free of ever going south. Be the guppy that virtually kisses the ass of GMs on Internet football forums if that's what makes you comfortable.

You think that just because someone was out of football for a season that makes them unworthy as a pro? It doesn't. Furthermore, you don't know why he was out for 2015 after being cut. It's just pure useless speculation on your part. 

You and many other Huddlers may not agree (and probably don't), but the lion's share of our receivers could have been left ass out for 2015 had they been cut by us at that same time. The only thing that would have likely saved even Ginn from being in that same situation is his ability to return.  Now that another season has passed, perhaps they'd be spared such a fate, but let's stop acting like our receiving corps was (or even is now) looked upon as even industrial grade diamonds. 

[TheRed]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Be sarcastic all you like, and hang upon every GM's word with baited breath, including Gettleman, like every decision that they make is the absolutely correct one, flawless and free of ever going south. Be the guppy that virtually kisses the ass of GMs on Internet football forums if that's what makes you comfortable.

You think that just because someone was out of football for a season that makes them unworthy as a pro? It doesn't. Furthermore, you don't know why he was out for 2015 after being cut. It's just pure useless speculation on your part. 

You and many other Huddlers may not agree (and probably don't), but the lion's share of our receivers could have been left ass out for 2015 had they been cut by us at that same time. The only thing that would have likely saved even Ginn from being in that same situation is his ability to return.  Now that another season has passed, perhaps they'd be spared such a fate, but let's stop acting like our receiving corps was (or even is now) looked upon as even industrial grade diamonds. 

Yeah, about that... I am definitely not a Gettleman homer.

To be clear, I could understand your stance on this if you were talking about a better player.  But Boykin? Man you could just save yourself all this hand wringing, and just admit you were wrong about the guy. We all make mistakes.

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

Yeah, about that... I am definitely not a Gettleman homer.

To be clear, I could understand your stance on this if you were talking about a better player.  But Boykin? Man you could just save yourself all this hand wringing, and just admit you were wrong about the guy. We all make mistakes.

I wasn't wrong about anything. Prove it. Prove to me that we were better off without him, and prove to me that he would have been less productive than Norwood...That's right, you can't.

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I wasn't wrong about anything. Prove it. Prove to me that we were better off without him, and prove to me that he would have been less productive than Norwood...That's right, you can't.

We went to the damn Super Bowl without him lol, is your ego seriously this big?

Why are you all the sudden trying to make this about Norwood anyway?

Wasn't the whole reason you originally flipped your lid over us releasing Boykin because he didn't beat out Corey Brown who you wrongly predicted would be cut?

Geesh.

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

We went to the damn Super Bowl without him lol, is your ego seriously this big?

Why are you all the sudden trying to make this about Norwood anyway?

Wasn't the whole reason you originally flipped your lid over us releasing Boykin because he didn't beat out Corey Brown who you wrongly predicted would be cut?

Geesh.

You actually want to bring up the Super Bowl considering that our receivers were arguably the main reason, and definitely at least the second reason, why we lost the damned thing?  Seriously? 

I alluded to the fact that Brown may be cut. You or anyone else find where I said Brown or any other receiver would be cut.  Do I think we could have done better than relying on Brown last year? Yep! Still do! 

Lastly, for shits and giggles, show me the post(s) where I flipped my lid about us releasing Boykin. I will be waiting.

 

 

[TheRed]

9 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You actually want to bring up the Super Bowl considering that our receivers were arguably the main reason, and definitely at least the second reason, why we lost the damned thing?  Seriously? 

I alluded to the fact that Brown may be cut. You or anyone else find where I said Brown or any other receiver would be cut.  Do I think we could have done better than relying on Brown last year? Yep! Still do! 

Lastly, for shits and giggles, show me the post(s) where I flipped my lid about us releasing Boykin. I will be waiting.

 

 

Huh? Which game were you watching?

We lost the Super Bowl just about entirely because we couldn't protect our QB.

If your quarterback spends most of the game on his ass, it doesn't matter how good your receivers are. Can't get the ball to them if you don't have time to throw.

Now you're just acting silly, you were an outspoken supporter of Boykin. If you want to rewrite history to soothe your ego, so be it. But your track record for prediciting success for WR's is just flat out terrible.

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Huh? Which game were you watching?

We lost the Super Bowl just about entirely because we couldn't protect our QB.

If your quarterback spends most of the game on his ass, it doesn't matter how good your receivers are. Can't get the ball to them if you don't have time to throw.

Now you're just acting silly, you were an outspoken supporter of Boykin. If you want to rewrite history to soothe your ego, so be it. But your track record for prediciting success for WR's is just flat out terrible.

Our receivers had some key drops and largely failed to get open. Perhaps if the catches are made, we'd be champs right now, notwithstanding that Miller was going off (which I still say was partly Shula's fault), but you frame it how you want. I know it's painful for you to remember the complete picture.

I was not an outspoken "supporter of Boykin" any more than I support any of our receivers. What I was, was a correcter of misinformation that was being used to form an incorrect narrative about him having a problem with dropping balls and benefiting simply because he was playing under A-Rod when some of his best games were when Matt Flynn was at the helm.  Unlike you, I don't have an affinity for false narratives based upon inaccurate or incomplete information. But getting back to my point, as opposed to your not-so-smooth deflection, the reason that you cannot list one post of me flipping my lid because of Boykin's release is because there aren't any.

As for me predicting the success of WRs, you're basically full of poo. We haven't had any receivers other than Benjamin and Funchess that I've even begun to "predict success" for. Now, if you would like to go back and talk about how I was pretty much ecstatic that we drafted Benjamin, and very pleased that we drafted Funchess, then go right ahead. Perhaps Igo can pull something out of the archive about me lamenting not being able to get T.Y. Hilton or Keenan Allen.  Perhaps my betting on Allen Robinson on my fantasy football team for the last couple of years means I was absolutely right about him. Maybe taking the risk to draft OBJ on my team during his rookie year also says something about who I think will be successful as a receiver in this league.

 Red, you just don't know what you're talking about. Don't get it twisted! Throwing around relatively cheap ideas about guys who have underachieved for whatever reasons but may have some upside and improve your corps on the cheap, is totally different than predicting who will be a definite success. Don't twist my words. You may get away with that bullshit with someone else, but I'll call you on your bullshit every time. I know what I say, and I know what I mean. Stay in your lane!

[TheRed]

33 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Our receivers had some key drops and largely failed to get open. Perhaps if the catches are made, we'd be champs right now, notwithstanding that Miller was going off (which I still say was partly Shula's fault), but you frame it how you want. I know it's painful for you to remember the complete picture.

I was not an outspoken "supporter of Boykin" any more than I support any of our receivers. What I was, was a correcter of misinformation that was being used to form an incorrect narrative about him having a problem with dropping balls and benefiting simply because he was playing under A-Rod when some of his best games were when Matt Flynn was at the helm.  Unlike you, I don't have an affinity for false narratives based upon inaccurate or incomplete information. But getting back to my point, as opposed to your not-so-smooth deflection, the reason that you cannot list one post of me flipping my lid because of Boykin's release is because there aren't any.

As for me predicting the success of WRs, you're basically full of poo. We haven't had any receivers other than Benjamin and Funchess that I've even begun to "predict success" for. Now, if you would like to go back and talk about how I was pretty much ecstatic that we drafted Benjamin, and very pleased that we drafted Funchess, then go right ahead. Perhaps Igo can pull something out of the archive about me lamenting not being able to get T.Y. Hilton or Keenan Allen.  Perhaps my betting on Allen Robinson on my fantasy football team for the last couple of years means I was absolutely right about him. Maybe taking the risk to draft OBJ on my team during his rookie year also says something about who I think will be successful as a receiver in this league.

 Red, you just don't know what you're talking about. Don't get it twisted! Throwing around relatively cheap ideas about guys who have underachieved for whatever reasons but may have some upside and improve your corps on the cheap, is totally different than predicting who will be a definite success. Don't twist my words. You may get away with that bullshit with someone else, but I'll call you on your bullshit every time. I know what I say, and I know what I mean. Stay in your lane!

"Stay in your lane", lol how old are you?

Man, you are a bright guy, and on some things you're actually not only right, but really insightful. Again though, you gotta be able to see past your own ego. I can't do it for you.

Instead of merely acknowledging that cutting Boykin was the correct decision, and it also didn't hurt our team whatsoever, you're basically throwing a tantrum, and doubling down on your support for him by calling out other huddlers for pointing out the obvious surrounding his release just so you don't have to admit you were wrong.

Hey, if you want to change history to make yourself feel better, have at it. Enjoy your evening.

[top dawg]

51 minutes ago, TheRed said:

"Stay in your lane", lol how old are you?

Man, you are a bright guy, and on some things you're actually not only right, but really insightful. Again though, you gotta be able to see past your own ego. I can't do it for you.

Instead of merely acknowledging that cutting Boykin was the correct decision, and it also didn't hurt our team whatsoever, you're basically throwing a tantrum, and doubling down on your support for him by calling out other huddlers for pointing out the obvious surrounding his release just so you don't have to admit you were wrong.

Hey, if you want to change history to make yourself feel better, have at it. Enjoy your evening.

Full of poo until the end I see.  Your problem is that you can't or just won't acknowledge that someone can have a different opinion than yours---and yes, that's what t is: opinion---fully supported by valid rationale, that is neither wrong nor right.  In the end, you can't prove that my opinion is wrong, no matter how bad you desire to, and your calling me to task is built upon nothing but your own fabrication.  That's the great thing about the written word and archives, they can always be used as a reference and evidence to the truth.