Pretty darned good analysis of Minny game plays of interest

[tiger7_88]

26 minutes ago, Omega Atrocity said:

Is there a reason why half this board ignores the fact that the mic in Cam's helmet turns off at 15 on the play clock? I'm tired of reading the play call isn't getting in until late, that's a rule that I know has been mentioned before. How about not heaping 100% of blame and 0% of credit on our offensive coordinator?

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After all these years, I didn't know this.

Thanks for the info.

Senile at 54... smdh.

[beastson]

3 hours ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Lmao, and some in here like Panthers55 still don't see the obvious. 

He's never going to see the obvious. I'm starting to remember he wanted John Fox to stay

10 years from now if the Panthers was mediocre, he'll still want Ron as HC

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Lmao, and some in here like Panthers55 still don't see the obvious. 

The point is I see the reality of what happened.  The difference is that I dont have an already knowing filter that decides what I think I see and only look for information which conforms what I already believe.  Observational bias. What you dont see is how predictable you are based on a distinct bias against Shula for example.

What is obvious is that you take any opportunity to criticize Shula dragging his name into many of the threads you visit. What isnt so obvious is why you are no negative and biased. Is it because you have to have some kind of whipping dog every time it might appear that Cam is struggling?  After all Cam is beyond reproach so it must be due to someone else.

[iamhubby1]

9 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Or maybe Cam should have audibilized and he didn't. Why always assume he isn't allowed to run the offense. He can miss things and screw up as well.

 

9 hours ago, panthers55 said:

And please stop with he had no time against Minnesota. I actually watched the Clock when we were on offense and we were often up to the line with 8 or 9 seconds tp spare which on a 25 second clock is plenty of time. Most hot reads are a hand signal or a nod or look, not a complete alignment adjustment.

 

I think that a lot of folks don't realize they are seeing an audible when a QB changes the play. They may see players move, or change positions, it just never hit them that that was an audible. I think they just think it was part of the original play. Get set, move, get set again, all according to the play. While sometimes this may be true, the vast majority of movement is because of the audible. I really think too many fans don't realize what they are seeing.

 

They same with how Cam scans the field before the play. He isn't just blowing on his hands, he is scanning the field. Even from under center, he always scans the field before he squats to take the snap. If he likes what he sees, we go ahead and snap the ball. If he feels the need to audible, that is when he does it. When he does audible, it is either to change protections, or to even change the play. All this happens in a matter of seconds, so average fans don't really realize it is happening.

 

I agree with folks being a little over the top where the play clock is concerned. Sure there are times when we get rushed, but as a whole, we have plenty of time to get the right play called. Hellz, every team has play clock issues once in a while. And I don't think we have that big of a problem.

 

I think that a lot of fans would ask more questions, if they only knew what to ask, or weren't afraid to ask.

[beastson]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

The point is I see the reality of what happened.  The difference is that I dont have an already knowing filter that decides what I think I see and only look for information which conforms what I already believe.  Observational bias. What you dont see is how predictable you are based on a distinct bias against Shula for example.

What is obvious is that you take any opportunity to criticize Shula at even drag his name into many of the threads you vist. What isnt so obvious is why you are no negative and biased. Is it because you have to have some kind of whipping dog every time it might appear that Cam is struggling.  After all Cam is beyond criticism so it must be due to someone else.

How is he struggling? He did very good against a head hunting denver D to put us in the position to win, he dominated the next game and had a bad game against Vikes. Even then he came out super hot. He plays better in a faster pace and no huddle offense opposed to this slow ass tempo shula and ron got going on right now. This offense has no rhythm. Shula has taken Cam as far as he can, thats what it is.

[panthers55]

27 minutes ago, beastson said:

He's never going to see the obvious. I'm starting to remember he wanted John Fox to stay

10 years from now if the Panthers was mediocre, he'll still want Ron as HC

But the Panthers arent mediocre under Rivera so of course I want him to stay.  Back in 2014, what was obvious to most huddlers was that Rivera was the wrong choice and people wanted to can him. I didnt agree with the obvious opinion here and said he was learning and improving and he would end up doing a very good job abd we needed to stick with him.  Low and behold I was right about him just like I was about Shula when I said that continuity in the same system would greatly improve Cam's ability to master the offense.

So saying I dont see the obvious is actually likely since many times the prevailing obvious opinion around here is actually the wrong one colored by observational bias and illusory correlations. 

[beastson]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

But the Panthers arent mediocre under Rivera so of course I want him to stay.  Back in 2014, what was obvious to most huddlers was that Rivera was the wrong choice and people wanted to can him. I didnt agree with the obvious opinion here and said he was learning and improving and he would end up doing a very good job abd we needed to stick with him.  Low and behold I was right about him just like I was about Shula when I said that continuity in the same system would greatly improve Cam's ability to master the offense.

So saying I dont see the obvious is actually likely since many times the prevailing obvious opinion around here is actually the wrong one colored by observational bias and illusory correlations.  Google that poo and get back to me.

But did you or did you not want Fox to stay?

Cam has mastered the offense, yet and still they struggled against top defenses in the 2nd half. That's not even an excuse if you went in feeling completely good about what you can do. Shula goes in with a gameplan, if it fails it fails and if it works it works. Meanwhile a team like the Patriots is constantly adjusting no matter who they have playing. Those defenses adjusted, the Panthers offense didn't so we're sitting here at 1-2

[panthers55]

12 minutes ago, beastson said:

How is he struggling? He did very good against a head hunting denver D to put us in the position to win, he dominated the next game and had a bad game against Vikes. Even then he came out super hot. He plays better in a faster pace and no huddle offense opposed to this slow ass tempo shula and ron got going on right now. This offense has no rhythm. Shula has taken Cam as far as he can, thats what it is.

This is exactly what I was talking about.  You see what you want to see and only what you already think is true.  There is no need pointing out anything else since it is clear you arent interesting in anyone contributing to you or suggesting anything counter, so I wont bother.  Thank you for demonstrating your bias once again.  If you throw enough crap against the wall, something is bound to stick.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, beastson said:

But did you or did you not want Fox to stay?

Cam has mastered the offense, yet and still they struggled against top defenses in the 2nd half. That's not even an excuse if you went in feeling completely good about what you can do. Shula goes in with a gameplan, if it fails it fails and if it works it works. Meanwhile a team like the Patriots is constantly adjusting no matter who they have playing. Those defenses adjusted, the Panthers offense didn't so we're sitting here at 1-2

Remember that Cam and the players have as much input or more than Shula in the gameplan. And most in game adjustments are what Cam has to do once the defense lines up and he surveys the field.  And given that the microphone cuts off at 15 seconds, the play would have come in before that meaning he has plenty of time to call the play, line up and make adjustments based on what the defense is calling.  So the whole slow playcalling complaint cant be true unless we never gave Cam a play at all at which time the time out would have been called before the clock wound down to zero.  So if he has time and he has to given 15 seconds is plenty, you explain the problem in the second half.  Maybe Cam is struggling picking up the blitzers or where to throw the ball so he holds it.  Maybe he is trying to make the big play and not take what the defense is giving.  It seems to me he is not surveying the field as well as he did last year and going through his reads.  At times he locks into one receiver other times he holds on to it when he could easily throw it away.  Truth is the failure of the offense to make adjustments is just as much on Cam as it is Shula.  But I promise you wont hear about from the coaches who would rather fall on the sword than blame players and lower their confidence in themselves. 

[beastson]

12 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

This is exactly what I was talking about.  You see what you want to see and only what you already think is true.  There is no need pointing out anything else since it is clear you arent interesting in anyone contributing to you or suggesting anything counter, so I wont bother.  Thank you for demonstrating your bias once again.  If you throw enough crap against the wall, something is bound to stick.

I'm bias for Cam, you're bias for Mike Shula

[panthers55]

Just now, beastson said:

I'm bias for Cam, you're bias for Mike Shula

I am biased toward both of them.  The difference is that I understand that they are entwined with each other.  Shula's offense is Cam's offense which he specifically built around Cam's strengths. He recognized what a talent Cam was and has worked hard to continue and refine the small things which finally came together for Cam in 2015.  What I find funny are posters like you who act as if you can blame one and not the other when they both run the offense and are both responsible for making it work.  Cam has the ability to change any play and make any adjustment he wants.  This is his offense and he runs it. Shula calls the play but Cam ultimately decides how to make the play work changing protections,  alignments and calling audibles.  A play failure can result from numerous reasons.  This is a team effort and I support every member of the team, both coaches and players. I am biased for sure.  I am biased for the Panthers.

[beastson]

Just now, panthers55 said:

I am biased toward both of them.  The difference is that I understand that they are entwined with each other.  Shula's offense is Cam's offense which he specifically built around Cam's strengths. He recognized what a talent Cam was and has worked hard to continue and refine the small things which finally came together for Cam in 2015.  What I find funny are posters like you who act as if you can blame one and not the other when they both run the offense and are both responsible for making it work.  Cam has the ability to change any play and make any adjustment he wants.  This is his offense and he runs it. Shula calls the play but Cam ultimately decides how to make the play work changing protections,  alignments and calling audibles.  A play failure can result from numerous reasons.  This is a team effort and I support every member of the team, both coaches and players. I am biased for sure.  I am biased for the Panthers.

You keep putting that on Cam, but I clearly remember Shula keeping Cam from doing that because he didn't agree with the play he changed to. How about we eliminate Shula from calling anything, because if everything is on the players executing Shula serves no purpose on game-day. Cam can get the plays on his arm and call it himself. If Shula call a dumb-ass play, you blame the players for not executing a dumb ass play. Like being on your own 5 and decide to throw when you up 10-0 instead of going conservative, use your newly gained punter who can change field position easily, and let your defense continue shutting their offense down. The last thing you don't want is a sack or an interception, both from throwing. You also ignored my post about the pace Cam likes to play along with the no huddle offense, but instead they want to slow it down completely throwing the offense off rhythm. Cam should be able to play at his pace and call the plays, he's earned it. Until he does, it's not his offense it's Shula's offense.

And what I realize is Cam can go even further than with a coach who's biggest highlight of his 27+ year career is taking a number 1 offense to the SB and losing all cause he let his tackles go one on one against Von Miller and Demarcus Ware and didn't change anything from what was on tape for the Broncos to game plan against. Shula learned from that in the 1st half of the 2nd Denver game. He gave Remmers a little more help, but most importantly Cam went to a three step drop and got the ball out quicker along with shorter routes. I gave him credit for that, until the 2nd half.

[panthers55]

Just now, beastson said:

You keep putting that on Cam, but I clearly remember Shula keeping Cam from doing that because he didn't agree with the play he changed to. How about we eliminate Shula from calling anything, because if everything is on the players executing Shula serves no purpose on game-day. Cam can get the plays on his arm and call it himself. If Shula call a dumb-ass play, you blame the players for not executing a dumb ass play. Like being on your own 5 and decide to throw when you up 10-0 instead of going conservative, use your newly gained punter who can change field position easily, and let your defense continue shutting their offense down. The last thing you don't want is a sack or an interception, both from throwing. You also ignored my post about the pace Cam likes to play along with the no huddle offense, but instead they want to slow it down completely throwing the offense off rhythm. Cam should be able to play at his pace and call the plays, he's earned it. Until he does, it's not his offense it's Shula's offense.

And what I realize is Cam can go even further than with a coach who's biggest highlight of his 27+ year career is taking a number 1 offense to the SB and losing all cause he let his tackles go one on one against Von Miller and Demarcus Ware and didn't change anything from what was on tape for the Broncos to game plan against. Shula learned from that in the 1st half of the 2nd Denver game. He gave Remmers a little more help, but most importantly Cam went to a three step drop and got the ball out quicker along with shorter routes. I gave him credit for that, until the 2nd half.

You really are hopeless.  LOL