Are the Panthers going to be sucessful in the cover 2?

[The Question]

or..do you think we'll be converting back or to a new system next season or after?

[jramsey4]

I think its hard for anyone to be successful in the Cover 2 in this league. It has been around for too long and coaches have found ways to exploit it. This is why more and more teams are going to 3-4 and Fire Zone type blitz, its harder to game plan against. In order to make the cover 2 work you have to have an all-pro Dline like we had in 03 to constantly pressure. Otherwise they pick you apart.

So No, I do not think we will be successful in it.

[1789Cardiac Cats9020]

Before this season started, I predicted we'd be horrible at it. sure enough..seems that way

[Brooklyn Bully]

Doesn't work for me in Madden either. :wink:

[Cyberjag]

Worked well enough for Kiffin in Tampa Bay, and Smith in Chicago isn't complaining about it.

Most teams that run a 4-3 have a cover 2 package that they pull out. It's effective, and it will always be effective against teams that don't have a good tight end. Even then, if the MLB is playing up (Tampa 2 variant) you can limit the other team to 3-4 yard passes, which is good enough to eventually force a punt.

Like any defense, it's all about personnel and execution. If you have both, you're going to be good no matter what package you're running. If one is missing, you're watching TV in January.

[jramsey4]

Worked well enough for Kiffin in Tampa Bay, and Smith in Chicago isn't complaining about it.

Most teams that run a 4-3 have a cover 2 package that they pull out. It's effective, and it will always be effective against teams that don't have a good tight end. Even then, if the MLB is playing up (Tampa 2 variant) you can limit the other team to 3-4 yard passes, which is good enough to eventually force a punt.

Like any defense, it's all about personnel and execution. If you have both, you're going to be good no matter what package you're running. If one is missing, you're watching TV in January.

Kiffin's Defense imploded on prime time tv against us no less (and it didn't go up from there) and your using it as success story. Yeah 5 or 6 years ago it was a successful scheme. Now it is a dying (fastly) scheme that will be all but extinct within 5 years. As the great Bill Walsh once said "In Coaching you have to reinvent yourself each year."

[GSO_Pantherz]

Yeah, Meeks is garbage. He will be gone this off-season along with Fox. No sacks or pressure on Ryan, just kept picking us apart on third downs. What business do we have doing cover 2 with only ONE good D lineman?? We can't pressure the qb and we sure as hell don't blitz anymore. It's like saying, "please convert this third down on us, we will give you all the time you want because we don't want to get off the field!"

[MurkN]

Instead of Cover 2, maybe our guys could try Cover SOMEBODY.

[Kurb]

Kiffins Defense imploded b/c he said he was leaving.

He was/is a master and has second to Dick LeBeau only in DC's

[1789Cardiac Cats9020]

We don't have the personnel for Cover-2....in every single aspect of the word. our LBs aren't coverage LBs, none of them is, not even Thomas Davis. our DBs especially our safeties don't have the speed it requires, and Gamble while fast, for some reason just doesn't get the technique it takes to disrupt a route. Marshall is too slow to play cover 2

[jramsey4]

Kiffins Defense imploded b/c he said he was leaving.

He was/is a master and has second to Dick LeBeau only in DC's

I was just saying it was a bad example. But yes Kiffin is a good DC but he also didn't run a pure Cover 2 he put in different plays and blitz to keep the D guessing something our coaching staff doesn't do. Even so Kiffin was using the cover 2 less and less.

[Kurb]

(edit: overly mean)

Cover 2 was his base defense, of course he didn't run it solely.

Just like it is our base D right now and we change up from play to play.

[jramsey4]

I'm sorry but you really don't know what you are talking about.

Cover 2 was his base defense, of course he didn't run it solely.

Just like it is our base D right now and we change up from play to play.

Did you read my last sentence I was saying he was using less and less of it. And he ran a the Tampa 2 to begin with. Although they are in essence the same two deep safeties they are very different otherwise. Trying to compare the Cover 2 crap that Fox's runs to anything that came from Kiffin is mute to begin with.

[1789Cardiac Cats9020]

(edit: overly mean)

Cover 2 was his base defense, of course he didn't run it solely.

Just like it is our base D right now and we change up from play to play.

I dunno....from what I've seen, we've stayed cover-2 and an occasional corner blitz the whole time