Buddy Ryan

[ladypanther]

As his son is making big news so far this season, I decided to google the father.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Ryan

An interesting read.

And there was this unexpected tidbit:

During training camp in 1990, while coaching the Eagles, Ryan released Cris Carter, explaining that he cut Carter because Carter “only catches touchdowns”—an explanation for which Ryan was ridiculed for several years, especially after Carter became a perennial All-Pro with the Minnesota Vikings. Years later, Carter revealed that he had a serious drug problem at the time, and Ryan released him from the Eagles in an attempt to help Carter turn his life around. Ryan never publicly discussed the reasons that he had released Carter. Subsequently, Carter credited Ryan's actions with helping him to turn his life around.

[Mr. Scot]

As his son is making big news so far this season, I decided to google the father.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Ryan

An interesting read.

And there was this unexpected tidbit:

I remember that.

Also famous for slugging Kevin Gilbride on the sidelines.

[dimbee]

He hated Ditka's guts. He was one bad mamma jamma and knew how to run a D

[ladypanther]

Also famous for slugging Kevin Gilbride on the sidelines.

Yes, the article also discusses that.

He was most notably involved in a sideline altercation with then-offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride during a national broadcast. Ryan had been criticizing Gilbride's "run and shoot", referring to it as the "chuck and duck." Ryan felt that last-minute stands cost him two players to injury when the offense could have simply just ran the ball and killed the clock. At the end of the first half in the last game of the season against the New York Jets, Gilbride called a pass play, and when Cody Carlson fumbled the snap, Ryan started yelling at Gilbride, who started walking towards Ryan, yelling back. When they were in arms length, Ryan punched Gilbride and two players quickly separated them.

[Mr. Scot]

Yes, the article also discusses that.

Not sure they got that part entirely right. I think Ryan first used "chuck and duck" to describe the Falcons offense under June Jones.

Ryan was good as a DC (more so than as a head coach). His "46" was dominant for a while. But when Bill Walsh came up with the West Coast offense as a way to beat the 46, Ryan never came up with a sufficient response.

The genes passed well though. I think both his sons have the potential to be more successful than he was.

[ladypanther]

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The genes passed well though. I think both his sons have the potential to be more successful than he was.[/quote']

Good observation.

Has there ever been brothers who were head coaches at the same time? For that matter, has there ever been brothers make it period?

In any professional sport?

[Kevin Greene]

As his son is making big news so far this season, I decided to google the father.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Ryan

An interesting read.

And there was this unexpected tidbit:

During training camp in 1990, while coaching the Eagles, Ryan released Cris Carter, explaining that he cut Carter because Carter “only catches touchdowns”—an explanation for which Ryan was ridiculed for several years, especially after Carter became a perennial All-Pro with the Minnesota Vikings. Years later, Carter revealed that he had a serious drug problem at the time, and Ryan released him from the Eagles in an attempt to help Carter turn his life around. Ryan never publicly discussed the reasons that he had released Carter. Subsequently, Carter credited Ryan's actions with helping him to turn his life around.

Makes Berman look like even a bigger ass for always saying "All he does is" And Tom Jackson would chime in "Catch touchdowns" during ESPN highlights featuring a Carter TD catch.

[Mr. Scot]

Makes Berman look like even a bigger ass for always saying "All he does is" And Tom Jackson would chime in "Catch touchdowns" during ESPN highlights featuring a Carter TD catch.

In fairness, it was a dumb thing to say.

Can't recall siblings being head coaches at the same time, but there were father and son Shulas for a short period there when Dave coached the Bengals.

(in that case, the genes didn't pass so well)

[Kevin Greene]

Not sure they got that part entirely right. I think Ryan first used "chuck and duck" to describe the Falcons offense under June Jones.

Ryan was good as a DC (more so than as a head coach). His "46" was dominant for a while. But when Bill Walsh came up with the West Coast offense as a way to beat the 46, Ryan never came up with a sufficient response.

The genes passed well though. I think both his sons have the potential to be more successful than he was.

I think the WCO predated the 46 and continued after it with success for quite some time.

Certainly the ahtletes on the Bears D in '85 probably would dominate any offense put against it the vast majority of the time.

The '85 Monday Night game where the Dolphins broke the Bears perfect season will remain one of the greatest regular season games ever.

[Mr. Scot]

I think the WCO predated the 46 and continued after it with success for quite some time.

Certainly the ahtletes on the Bears D in '85 probably would dominate any offense put against it the vast majority of the time.

The '85 Monday Night game where the Dolphins broke the Bears perfect season will remain one of the greatest regular season games ever.

Always made me laugh that the only team to stop that being a perfect season turned out to be the Dolphins.

Had they made it to the Super Bowl, that game could have been epic (rather than the blowout it was).