Cap savings IF we cut Stewart, Gano, and Dickson

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

I'm referring to those who believe his ability has fallen off. Those people aren't seeing the big picture (regarding Stew's talent). Slow, predictable, read option plays, with a banged up Cam Newton made it easy for defenses to key on Stew. They knew he was getting the ball.

Salary is a different issue. I'm all for a restructure, but even if he doesn't restructure, who would we replace him with? Backs at his size, with his skill level, agility, and elusiveness don't grown on trees.

If we were cap strapped, this might be a conversation, but since we have ample monies available, why even worry about this at the moment?

 

If we draft Fournette, then we can talk.

 

   No matter how much one thinks he's "fallen off", this is business. You can have him back at a 3.75M discount, or have 6.2M to replace him. Nothing more. He's got no real value on the open market. He will take a reduced contract, or be a backup plan somewhere else. 

  And who are you going to spend that money on after the draft? Good idea to help

with insurance fund though. 

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, csx said:

The big picture to me is that when you have a lot of cap space you don't need to cut players for the sake of getting a little more cap space. You need to have a team. It's not just a financial exercise.

Pairing Stew and Fournette is ideal. Then you can move on next year with ease knowing what you have. 

No. You treat every player as a separate business decision. Why pay top dollar for no reason. As I've said so many times, you re-sign him for much less. What part of this equation is so difficult to understand. Why cut Tolbert? We don't have a replacement? 

  And we have nowhere near enough cap space to just carry players for the nostalgia of it. If you had a business, would you throw money out the window after a good quarter, just because you had it.

[Guest Lasus83]

   No matter how much one thinks he's "fallen off", this is business. You can have him back at a 3.75M discount, or have 6.2M to replace him. Nothing more. He's got no real value on the open market. He will take a reduced contract, or be a backup plan somewhere else. 

  And who are you going to spend that money on after the draft? Good idea to help

with insurance fund though. 

Stew has open market value. Considering how his contract is structured, he may get paid more to leave. A 2yr/6M contract gets him more.

Either way... dude is a great back. He had health issues for a couple seasons in the middle but has been very healthy the past 3 seasons. He is playing just under the average number of games per year for starting RBs.

We need to keep him to get back to double trouble.

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[Ace_Aladdin]

51 minutes ago, Toomers said:

3.4M. I can see that one going either way. Much rather keep him, but could see moving on.

Paladry has been good Punter, we shoud cut Lee and save J-Stew.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Lasus83 said:

Stew has open market value. Considering how his contract is structured, he may get paid more to leave. A 2yr/6M contract gets him more.

Either way... dude is a great back. He had health issues for a couple seasons in the middle but has been very healthy the past 3 seasons. He is playing just under the average number of games per year for starting RBs.

We need to keep him to get back to double trouble.

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    And what team is giving a 30 yo RB, with a nagging history, and coming off a 3.8ypc. a multi-year contract. He has much more value here than elsewhere. And if he did leave, I can easily replace him for 6.25M and a pick. Everyone wants to be a "armchair GM" but want to act like this isn't a business when a player they like is on the chopping block. 

   When Reiff signs elsewhere because we didn't have the money, get back with me. Is keeping Stewart, at his current contract, worth not being able to get a LT or a Eric Berry?

[Mr. Miagi]

4 hours ago, Felipe Vieira said:

Gano, Dickson and Lee i'm all in.

 

Stew, no way. 

Cut Lee???? Lol hell no

[Mr. Miagi]

We are not cutting Stewart, Lee and Oher! Dumbasses 

[Guest Lasus83]

    And what team is giving a 30 yo RB, with a nagging history, and coming off a 3.8ypc. a multi-year contract. He has much more value here than elsewhere. And if he did leave, I can easily replace him for 6.25M and a pick. Everyone wants to be a "armchair GM" but want to act like this isn't a business when a player they like is on the chopping block. 

   When Reiff signs elsewhere because we didn't have the money, get back with me. Is keeping Stewart, at his current contract, worth not being able to get a LT or a Eric Berry?

A. We are all playing armchair GM here... thats sorta the point of the site.

B. Stewart's contract is not the difference between us getting Reiff, or KKs tag or Berry. If it is, we can cut him any time to make room... and a good number of other players too.

C. Stew does not have a nagging (injury) history. That comment is one based on how you feel and not the numbers. Know how I know? Because I said the same thing until I actually looked at the numbers.

Should we call TD a guy with a nagging injury history? Because both guys have that stretch of years on their resume and both have been pretty healthy for a while... considering the sport they play.

D. And lastly, you will not find a harder running RB, a better blocker or more of a team-guy, than Jstew.


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[Khyber53]

The problem is, you kind of have to cut the guy before you go shopping for a replacement if you do it this time of year. And it isn't like popping down to the corner grocery and picking up a great RB, a decent kicker and a TE2, thank you and yes, here's my VIC card.

Patience is a virtue, especially with as much money as we have on hand now. Only a fool walks into town waving around a stack of bills and proudly announcing "it's time to buy some stuff!" Please see the history of Dan Snyder for reference, or perhaps the Philadelphia Eagles dream team...

With this much money on the table, a competitive team and a franchise QB in place, along with a solid team spirit (not just a bunch of mercenaries), the right players will come to us. Cruz already has and we've kicked his tires and thought about how much he might be worth. Others will follow and soon. Some will be big names coming for the wrong reasons and little left in the tank to give. Some will be nobodies that really deserve a shot. A couple will be old vets that can teach and still play a bit.

I trust DG can sort them out and get us what we really need. And he'll pass on a couple of players that are going to make the fans howl, but he knows a lot more than we do.

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, Lasus83 said:

A. We are all playing armchair GM here... thats sorta the point of the site.

B. Stewart's contract is not the difference between us getting Reiff, or KKs tag or Berry. If it is, we can cut him any time to make room... and a good number of other players too.

C. Stew does not have a nagging (injury) history. That comment is one based on how you feel and not the numbers. Know how I know? Because I said the same thing until I actually looked at the numbers.

Should we call TD a guy with a nagging injury history? Because both guys have that stretch of years on their resume and both have been pretty healthy for a while... considering the sport they play.

D. And lastly, you will not find a harder running RB, a better blocker or more of a team-guy, than Jstew.


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   If you're planning on paying anyone way more than their worth, when there are other options, what's the point of discussing anything. Just go play a video game or some non-reality football game. 

   You want all three, like I do. Which one do we not sign. 

 And yes he is an inury risk. He's missed at least a month for the last 3 years. And barely played in 2012-2013. Wasn't healthy when he did play those years. 

 Yes, he runs hard and he has value to us. Doesn't mean it is wise to throw away money just because......well, I still haven't heard any good reason to carry an 8.2M cap hit for him into this season. 

[Daddy_Uncle]

4 hours ago, SCP said:

Cap schmap.  The Saints stay $100 million over the cap but keep signing dudes.  The cap is all bullshit.

And they don't make the playoffs. What a well ran organization 

[Guest Lasus83]

   If you're planning on paying anyone way more than their worth, when there are other options, what's the point of discussing anything. Just go play a video game or some non-reality football game. 

   You want all three, like I do. Which one do we not sign. 

 And yes he is an inury risk. He's missed at least a month for the last 3 years. And barely played in 2012-2013. Wasn't healthy when he did play those years. 

 Yes, he runs hard and he has value to us. Doesn't mean it is wise to throw away money just because......well, I still haven't heard any good reason to carry an 8.2M cap hit for him into this season. 

Show me the numbers, in your offseason, where Jstew's current contract prohibits our ability to sign who you want.

I would show you the figures if they would approve my effing profile... then I could post from my work PC... where I deal with numbers... all day... every day...

I would show you a multitude of ways to fit key Free Agent acquisitions into our current cap, projected caps and cap hits for 2018, 19, 20 and so on...

But I can't. So, suffice it to say that... if you want big name FAs this offseason, it can happen, it can happen while retaining Jstew in his current contract and it can happen with a bit of cushion.

Doesn't mean it will happen... because it probably won't, but it is mathematically feasible.

Furthermore, nowhere did I say that I believe Stewart will play under his current contract. I believe we will see it changed. DG has done plenty of restructures on this team and stews contract is ripe for a look at.

But the player... just in terms of what he brings to this team... is the kind of guy we need.

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[Toomers]

11 minutes ago, Lasus83 said:

Show me the numbers, in your offseason, where Jstew's current contract prohibits our ability to sign who you want.

I would show you the figures if they would approve my effing profile... then I could post from my work PC... where I deal with numbers... all day... every day...

I would show you a multitude of ways to fit key Free Agent acquisitions into our current cap, projected caps and cap hits for 2018, 19, 20 and so on...

But I can't. So, suffice it to say that... if you want big name FAs this offseason, it can happen, it can happen while retaining Jstew in his current contract and it can happen with a bit of cushion.

Doesn't mean it will happen... because it probably won't, but it is mathematically feasible.

Furthermore, nowhere did I say that I believe Stewart will play under his current contract. I believe we will see it changed. DG has done plenty of restructures on this team and stews contract is ripe for a look at.

But the player... just in terms of what he brings to this team... is the kind of guy we need.

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The other FAs were just for an example. Obviously there are many ways to maneuver the cap. But there is no logical reason to pay him his full cap hit this year. That's all I was saying. And have yet to see anything that would change that. A restructuring is the same as I'm talking about. Whatever gets that 4M off the books. We've been waiting forever to get rid of his contract. Finally it's financially responsible to do it. 

     

    

[Mr. Miagi]

We are not going to cut Stewart, Lee, Oher and Gano!!!!!!!!!