Bucky Brooks and the case against receivers in the first

[Palmetto]

11 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

the combine skews so many opinions from what really matters and guys get over-drafted, been going on forever.

You would think coaches and GMs would know this but we see reaches and draft stock drops all the time based on combine

[top dawg]

27 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Rivera had already said a few things that should quiet the drafting WR thing...

The room is really young. 

Wanting a exp. Vet presents..

This says that FA is where they want to find WR help not add another young guy to a already young room..

Sure they want to acquire a vet,  but I don't believe they're not seriously and genuinely looking at talent in the draft class.  Moreover,  wanting a vet and getting a vet are two different things. I predict we'll be more aggressive in FA than usual as it pertains to receiver,  but that we'll also draft one with some clear upside. 

[SCO96]

This article is from 09/09/2013. It originally appeared on the now defunct website Cold Hard Football Facts.com. I didn't post the entire thing, but I didn paste the things that I feel are relevant to our current discussion.

http://www.footballnation.net/content/along-for-the-ride-shiny-hood-ornament-wide-receivers-week-1/24814/

The Shiny Hood Ornament Man Laws tells us that wide receivers are nothing but nice shiny emblems adorning the engine of NFL offenses. We marvel at them as they sparkle and glisten in the autumn sun.

But at the end of the day, Shiny Hood Ornaments don’t make the machine run any better if the man behind the wheel can’t drive.

The foundation of the Shiny Hood Ornament Man Law is that quarterbacks make wide receivers better; wide receivers do not make quarterbacks better – especially if he’s a really bad quarterback.

Yet year after  year, NFL coaches, executives and hard-core fans – people who should know more about the sport – foolishly convince themselves that the only thing standing between their third-rate quarterback and the playoffs is a “weapon” at wide receiver.

It pays to keep in mind that wide receivers are really not weapons. They’re targets. Moving targets. But targets just the same.

They’re utterly useless without a real weapon – a quick-triggered, accurate quarterback – to deliver them the ball. More importantly, wide receivers are universally OVERVALUED. Even a great wide receiver touches the ball five or six times a game. Their impact is minimal.

And don’t give us this cliché about “stretching the field.” There are few guys in history truly capable of “stretching the field.” Randy Moss is one. Not a lot of others.

In reality, there are a whole bunch of really fast guys playing WR in the NFL running 4.4 40s or thereabouts. The difference from one to the next, especially in the 2 to 3 seconds a quarterback has to release the ball, is nearly non-existent.

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I have to admit that I agree with a lot of this article. Great receivers usually fail to make big impacts in the playoffs without a good to great QB throwing him the ball. Look at the  WR crew Brady was throwing the past 4 seasons. Outside of Gronk (A TE), they're not a very distinguished group yet they've played in 3 of the last 4 SB's.  Look at the guys Cam had during our 2015 Super Bowl run. Russell Wilson didn't  take the Seahawks to back to back SB's throwing to All-Pro, or even Pro Bowl, receivers.

You shouldn't bet the farm on a WR in the 1st round unless the team is solid across the board. When the 49ers drafted Jerry Rice in 1985 they were already stacked. People for get that Montana and Walsh already had 2 SB rings before Rice joined the team. In fact the 1984 team went 15-1 the season before they drafted him and won the Super Bowl.

We have too many needs/holes to pick a Wideout  in the 1st round.

 

[Palmetto]

2 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

This article is from 09/09/2013. It originally appeared on the now defunct website Cold Hard Football Facts.com. I didn't post the entire thing, but I didn paste the things that I feel are relevant to our current discussion.

http://www.footballnation.net/content/along-for-the-ride-shiny-hood-ornament-wide-receivers-week-1/24814/

The Shiny Hood Ornament Man Laws tells us that wide receivers are nothing but nice shiny emblems adorning the engine of NFL offenses. We marvel at them as they sparkle and glisten in the autumn sun.

But at the end of the day, Shiny Hood Ornaments don’t make the machine run any better if the man behind the wheel can’t drive.

The foundation of the Shiny Hood Ornament Man Law is that quarterbacks make wide receivers better; wide receivers do not make quarterbacks better – especially if he’s a really bad quarterback.

Yet year after  year, NFL coaches, executives and hard-core fans – people who should know more about the sport – foolishly convince themselves that the only thing standing between their third-rate quarterback and the playoffs is a “weapon” at wide receiver.

It pays to keep in mind that wide receivers are really not weapons. They’re targets. Moving targets. But targets just the same.

They’re utterly useless without a real weapon – a quick-triggered, accurate quarterback – to deliver them the ball. More importantly, wide receivers are universally OVERVALUED. Even a great wide receiver touches the ball five or six times a game. Their impact is minimal.

And don’t give us this cliché about “stretching the field.” There are few guys in history truly capable of “stretching the field.” Randy Moss is one. Not a lot of others.

In reality, there are a whole bunch of really fast guys playing WR in the NFL running 4.4 40s or thereabouts. The difference from one to the next, especially in the 2 to 3 seconds a quarterback has to release the ball, is nearly non-existent.

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I have to admit that I agree with a lot of this article. Great receivers usually fail to make big impacts in the playoffs without a good to great QB throwing him the ball. Look at the  WR crew Brady was throwing the past 4 seasons. Outside of Gronk (A TE), they're not a very distinguished group yet they've played in 3 of the last 4 SB's.  Look at the guys Cam had during our 2015 Super Bowl run. Russell Wilson didn't  take the Seahawks to back to back SB's throwing to All-Pro, or even Pro Bowl, receivers.

You shouldn't bet the farm on a WR in the 1st round unless the team is solid across the board. When the 49ers drafted Jerry Rice in 1985 they were already stacked. People for get that Montana and Walsh already had 2 SB rings before Rice joined the team. In fact the 1984 team went 15-1 the season before they drafted him and won the Super Bowl.

We have too many needs/holes to pick a Wideout  in the 1st round.

 

I don't want a Wr in the first but Evans, Odell and Hopkins  could be the best player on their team (Watts been hurt)

if a Wr is the top guy on the board you take him

[Jimmy]

I just heard an interesting stat on First Take about receivers.  Since 2010 there has only been one Super Bowl winner that had a receiver finish in the top 10 of receiving for that particular year.  Demayrius Thomas with Denver in 2012.  OBJ, AB, Julio, et al...nothing, zero, zilch.  Bottom line for us...find someone shifty, quick, good hands, and can first downs.  First downs is the name of hte game in the NFL.  Move the chains...move the mother fuging chains.  That's why New England has been so successful...move the chains and keep the other teams defense on the field. No real need to have one guy that you pay a ton of money to which jeopardizes your #2, & #3 receiving spots.

[WOW!!]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Sure they want to acquire a vet,  but I don't believe they're not seriously and genuinely looking at talent in the draft class.  Moreover,  wanting a vet and getting a vet are two different things. I predict we'll be more aggressive in FA than usual as it pertains to receiver,  but that we'll also draft one with some clear upside. 

Maybe in later rounds.. But Rivera is plainly telling you he wants instant impact.. He is looking into waiting on another developing player in that room.

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Maybe in later rounds.. But Rivera is plainly telling you he wants instant impact.. He is looking into waiting on another developing player in that room.

Come on,  man.  No smart GM or coach is going into the draft saying that they're gonna focus on a certain position in certain rounds.  They are looking at what's available against what's on their board and choosing the best player available that is in fitting with their needs.  

In short,  they aren't passing up a receiver they really like on day one or two if that player is their BPA. 

[hsfolk]

hell, NO was able to draft Michael Thomas in the 2nd and he's far better than the ones selecting in front of him