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Special Teams and Turnovers...


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These two factors have really cost us some games this year and it kept this game from being a complete blowout. I don't understand why we are turning the ball over so much and I can't believe the special teams is this bad. Maybe we shouldn't bitch so much when Fox keeps guys around like Nick Goings, Karl Hankton, and others. Its pathetic, and honestly our return game is pretty good but everything else scares the crap out of me.

Turnovers almost killed us again this week as the Bucs scored twice when the defense was not on the field. Another turnover kept sure points off the board. To me it seems like the offense is simply disfunctional right now and maybe thats Jake's fault and maybe not. It's easy to blame the QB and the coaches, but the truth is really a mystery because the QB and the coaches are exactly the same as last year. Even the offensive line played well this week so you can't really blame them.

If we can shore up these two aspects of the team (and maybe work on recovering fumbles on defense) we could really turn this thing around. I just don't see either happening.

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Yeah thats probably the weak spot for the offense but they were the same receivers as last season. The only thing anyone can say is that they both lost a step or two. I think the offense sticks to about 10-15 plays and that defenses are figuring out what we are doing. I saw Smith do the same double move/wheel route about 3 times on replays this week. No screen passes, no deep posts with the tightend, no WR screen to Smitty...there's nothing new in the offense that defenses have to prepare for. If you can stop the run then the offense is done (hey that rhyms).

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