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CMC has a chance to be 3rd RB ever to reach the 1000/1000 club

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saints4lifeagain Rookie

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3 hours ago, Woodie said:

I don't think you're bagging on McCaffrey.  I think we both realize this isn't about questioning either Kamara's or CMC's ability.  It's simply about the position they have been put in.  

With that said, you are mistaken if you don't think McCaffrey isn't a focal point of the defense.  A few screenshots without context doesn't really show anything.  But even so, every player has a handful of plays where it looks to the novice eye like nobody was paying attention to him.  Your assertion also mitigates McCaffrey's role in getting in that position.  When you see him open this year, it can be attributed to, among other things, better play design, his ability to find an open spot, his understanding of how to manipulate defenders, and just good old fashioned route running. And like I said, this year Norv has done a better job of putting him in position to make a play.  But last year he was put in a horrible position for a player with his skillset and a coach that was clueless about how to use him.  

But this discussion started over who was put in the better position, which I don't think there is any legitimate question about.  So while you take umbrage to the idea that Kamara has been put in a better position than CMC, the evidence shows otherwise.  Yes, Kamara may be seeing more stacked boxes than last year, but Sean is using that exact issue to open up other facets of the offense.  Last year, Payton took advantage of teams keying on Brees by attacking with your backs.  As a result, Drew did not have quite the gaudy stats he has previously (still great, but probably his worst statistical year since he's been in NO).  This year, with teams keying on Kamara, he's attacking with the passing game.  So I don't see how any reasonable person could think that Kamara hasn't benefitted far more from his coaches and surrounding talent than McCaffrey has.

My goodness man lol. If we were to talk about last year, I could agree Kamara was put in a better position to succeed, although I think he was simply better with the ball in his hand as well. This year, it's just not true. It's not a few screenshots. It's all but 1 catch that he had, which I left out because he absolutely dusted the LB to get wide open. These balls are all out within 2 seconds of the snap, aside from 1 of the screen passes. 

He had no role in getting the position. He simply ran out in the flat lol. He had a huge 30 yard gain where he turned the LB all the way around. That was on him. The rest is on scheme or the defense simply not picking him up. I'm not a professional scout, but I'm not a novice. I watch a ton of film. And even admitting that he's being left wide open doesn't mitigate his numbers. I'm simply showing that the argument that is used to mitigate Kamaras success, could actually be used against CMC.

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1 hour ago, saints4lifeagain said:

My goodness man lol. If we were to talk about last year, I could agree Kamara was put in a better position to succeed, although I think he was simply better with the ball in his hand as well. This year, it's just not true. It's not a few screenshots. It's all but 1 catch that he had, which I left out because he absolutely dusted the LB to get wide open. These balls are all out within 2 seconds of the snap, aside from 1 of the screen passes. 

He had no role in getting the position. He simply ran out in the flat lol. He had a huge 30 yard gain where he turned the LB all the way around. That was on him. The rest is on scheme or the defense simply not picking him up. I'm not a professional scout, but I'm not a novice. I watch a ton of film. And even admitting that he's being left wide open doesn't mitigate his numbers. I'm simply showing that the argument that is used to mitigate Kamaras success, could actually be used against CMC.

What will happen by seasons end is that cmc will have better numbers than Alvin. Maybe 2000 yards vs 1600 but even with that big difference Kamara will be in the pro bowl and cmc won’t be. It’s all about stereotypes and media hype 

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6 hours ago, saints4lifeagain said:

My goodness man lol. If we were to talk about last year, I could agree Kamara was put in a better position to succeed, although I think he was simply better with the ball in his hand as well. This year, it's just not true. It's not a few screenshots. It's all but 1 catch that he had, which I left out because he absolutely dusted the LB to get wide open. These balls are all out within 2 seconds of the snap, aside from 1 of the screen passes. 

He had no role in getting the position. He simply ran out in the flat lol. He had a huge 30 yard gain where he turned the LB all the way around. That was on him. The rest is on scheme or the defense simply not picking him up. I'm not a professional scout, but I'm not a novice. I watch a ton of film. And even admitting that he's being left wide open doesn't mitigate his numbers. I'm simply showing that the argument that is used to mitigate Kamaras success, could actually be used against CMC.

Look, I know you are a homer for Kamara, and although you said you are not bagging on CMC, the truth is that you are doing just that in a backhanded way.  I have avoided direct comparisons because they are stupid.  All along I only said that Kamara was put in a better position than CMC since he went to a team that had Sean Payton as the HC/OC and Drew Brees throwing the ball.  For whatever reason you came here to try and say that is a lazy point because it isn't true.

So, what is your real point.  Do you believe that Shula, and now Turner are better at putting a RB in position to succeed than Payton, and that Cam is a better passer than Brees?  If not, then your whole argument is invalid and little more than trolling. 

You are so desperate to try and show that CMC is having his success, not because of his ability, but because of what the coaches are doing.  And quite frankly, that shows a complete lack of understanding of what is actually happening on the field.  If you truly believe the nonsense you have been spewing, then either you have no idea what you are looking at, or you are just doing a quick view before jumping to a conclusion without doing an actual analysis.  

Yes, you sure can find a situation to freeze frame in which CMC was left alone.  But guess what, you could find the same for every single player that has had success in the NFL, even your beloved Kamara.  Not every run or catch is hotly contested.  Defenses do occasionally have breakdowns.  There are blown coverages, poor gap control, as well as defenders sometimes getting stuck in traffic, etc.  So go ahead, find the occasional blown defensive play and yell at the top of your lungs that "See, I told you! I told you he's not facing much defensive attention!"  But just know that it shows a level of pettiness that you are unable to graciously accept that CMC is pretty darn good, and it's not simply because of the coaches. 

You've worked too hard to try and discredit him while justifying why he is having a better year than Kamara.  But the thing you don't seem to realize is that there was no reason for this.  Nobody was discrediting Kamara or trying to say he was just a product of his situation.  The ONLY point was that Kamara was put in a better position when drafted than McCaffrey.  

So go ahead and respond using your passive aggressiveness.  Insult, attack, pretend like you are morally superior, or whatever tact you choose to make you feel better about arguing a pointless argument.  You don't want to discuss rationally, you just want to pretend you are discussing rationally.  I've tried to give a few opportunities to move on since it was clear long ago nothing was going to be resolved, yet you cannot let it go.  Well, this is me letting it go.  I won't be reading any more responses in this thread since I simply don't have the time to continue this folly.  Enjoy your life, and enjoy your team's success.

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On 11/26/2018 at 12:34 AM, nickzz said:

i think you're overrating him a tad. he could probably be a slot guy if he was forced out of the backfield, but absolutely not a #1 receiver. that's insane.

he could easily be an Edleman replacement with better yards after catch stats.  His hands are RELIABLE.  Not perfect, but very reliable.

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