7th round pick, NFL minimum salary PK Harrison Butker

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

To be clear, my stance is not that Gano > Butker and that I’m happy we went with Gano over him. I’d MUCH rather have Butker...simply taking into account their relative contracts and upside. Anyone who says they’d take Gano over Butker now, I’d have to question if they have some kind of agenda or bias.

What I’m saying is that given the circumstances at the time (the beginning of the 2017 season), it would not make sense to cut Gano and hand Butker the starting job when he hadn’t done anything to earn it or show that he was a sure-thing NFL talent. Remember that we started the season with both kickers on the active roster so it’s not like we gave up on Butker, we just hadn’t seen enough from him to move forward with naming him our starter. Where I DO fault our management/coaching is with how sparingly they gave Butker opportunities to compete for that starting job. It looked like they were just giving him a little more time to groom him or ease him into the role as our potential starter, but unfortunately KC snagged him due to an injury to their own kicker. But yes, as I’ve said, I blame Rivera and Hurney for not giving Butker more opportunities and then leaving him vulnerable to getting snagged by another team via demoting him to the practice squad.

This implication that Gano is trash and Butker is GOD is nonsense though and statistics show that they are very comparable in their performances. The contracts and upside (i.e. their future longevity in the league) is what makes Butker the clear winner.

   Then why would you keep both on the roster? If you had no faith in Butker, why keep him around? But you do, and then keep the expensive option. It’s not like there isn’t a bunch of PKs out there if Butker fails. 

  

[Cpt slay a ho]

7 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So Hope and Magic? Cool.

Keep judging people off of past mistakes and see how far that gets you 

[Cpt slay a ho]

I also find it funny that we have seen how the opposite of this move has worked, you know cutting a vet to go with a late round pick as the starter, someone remind me how well that went.....

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

A waste is paying for something and not getting it, we are getting the same production at a higher cost......overpriced yes but a throwaway is a big reach. My problem is I know for a fact that if the move was made to keep bukter over gano, and actually save some money, the same ones complaing would never make a post giving credit to hurney or this staff for making the move 

No. That’s you. I can show many posts where I’ve defended Hurney. Wanna bet on it? You find a post where you are bashing anything about Hurney and I’ll show you 10 where I’m defending him. Or would you like posters to verify it for you. 

  You reached that point where you can’t respond with reason. So you pull the “HateHurney” schtick. Take the bet. Or try some other lame deflection.

[Cpt slay a ho]

6 minutes ago, Toomers said:

No. That’s you. I can show many posts where I’ve defended Hurney. Wanna bet on it? You find a post where you are bashing anything about Hurney and I’ll show you 10 where I’m defending him. Or would you like posters to verify it for you. 

  You reached that point where you can’t respond with reason. So you pull the “HateHurney” schtick. Take the bet. Or try some other lame deflection.

Lol I take that bet all day everyday,as long as this server lets us go back all the way to 2010-2011, I’ve said the same thing since you’ve first quoted me in another thread months ago, you and 3 other posters are the same people looking to bash hurney or defend dg and you’re post history shows, so let’s add that to the bet as well, I guarantee any thread about dg or hurney you are in there bashing hurney And defending dg. There’s several other posters that’ll probably agree with me also on this matter 

[jfra78]

i think this thread needs closing

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Lol I take that bet all day everyday,as long as this server lets us go back all the way to 2010-2011, I’ve said the same thing since you’ve first quoted me in another thread months ago, you and 3 other posters are the same people looking to bash hurney or defend dg and you’re post history shows, so let’s add that to the bet as well, I guarantee any thread about dg or hurney you are in there bashing hurney And defending dg. There’s several other posters that’ll probably agree with me also on this matter 

  Ok bet. What’s the stakes. Loser leaves forever? I’m in. I got mine ready. Takes where I defend Hurney right? 

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Lol I take that bet all day everyday,as long as this server lets us go back all the way to 2010-2011, I’ve said the same thing since you’ve first quoted me in another thread months ago, you and 3 other posters are the same people looking to bash hurney or defend dg and you’re post history shows, so let’s add that to the bet as well, I guarantee any thread about dg or hurney you are in there bashing hurney And defending dg. There’s several other posters that’ll probably agree with me also on this matter 

Of course there are. There are a couple of people who only live to defend Hurney. Just because you haven’t in a decade or so doesn’t make you any different. If you see me post something factually wrong about Hurney, by all means speak up. But I don’t. 

   I’m sure my constant bashing of everything about Matt Kalil means I think DG was perfect. 

 One of us judges moves on merit. The other just sides with Hurney. That’s the only bias in this

[MasterAwesome]

40 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   Then why would you keep both on the roster? If you had no faith in Butker, why keep him around? But you do, and then keep the expensive option. It’s not like there isn’t a bunch of PKs out there if Butker fails. 

  

I never suggested they didn’t have faith in him, just that he hadn’t shown enough to prove that he was yet worthy of the starting job. You don’t give up on a player and cut him for struggling in training camp, that’s par for the course with rookies, especially 7th rounders. But if you’re cutting your vet for a 7th round rookie, you better be darn sure that he’s ready to produce.

Everyone knows Rivera favors vets for rookies and this was perhaps another example of that (Gano remaining the starter, all things equal)...but everyone loves to act like that’s not a normal league wide philosophy and is just stupid Ron being stubborn and loving his vets. No coach willingly throws rookies into the fire if they can get by with letting them develop for a season or two with an adequate vet placeholder. Hell, even with #1 overall picks like Baker Mayfield. The ideal situation is to let rookies develop to get used to the transition to the pros, especially late-rounders. Obviously there’s an exception for top-tier rookie talent or when there’s an egregious hole on your roster and your hands are forced, but I don’t consider either one of those applicable in this case. It is very possible that had Gano struggled to start the season, then we would’ve opted to go with Butker instead.

[Cpt slay a ho]

25 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Ok bet. What’s the stakes. Loser leaves forever? I’m in. I got mine ready. Takes where I defend Hurney right? 

that's 1/4 of the bet don't be sly, and username change is what''s up for grabs

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

that's 1/4 of the bet don't be sly, and username change is what''s up for grabs

What else? You can’t show anything, so you say. I can show I've where defended Hurney.. I can prove my lack of bias. Show me where you can prove you aren’t completely biased? 

[Cpt slay a ho]

22 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Of course there are. There are a couple of people who only live to defend Hurney. Just because you haven’t in a decade or so doesn’t make you any different. If you see me post something factually wrong about Hurney, by all means speak up. But I don’t. 

   I’m sure my constant bashing of everything about Matt Kalil means I think DG was perfect. 

 One of us judges moves on merit. The other just sides with Hurney. That’s the only bias in this

factual wrong no.but dishonest yes, you tell half truths to fit a narrative, i don't side with anyone, you go by win/loss as a main factor judging a gm i go by a lot more than just that   

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

factual wrong no.but dishonest yes, you tell half truths to fit a narrative, i don't side with anyone, you go by win/loss as a main factor judging a gm i go by a lot more than just that   

  You ignore the only thing that actually matters to focus on whatever or whoever you favor. I state facts. And I’m dishonest? You just make up whatever, and dismiss facts....and you’re honest. That makes sense. 

    

[Cpt slay a ho]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  You ignore the only thing that actually matters to focus on whatever or whoever you favor. I state facts. And I’m dishonest? You just make up whatever, and dismiss facts....and you’re honest. That makes sense. 

    

no, it's because a gm job is more than just win/loss, that's a TEAM achievement, gm plays a role just like the coach in a team success....i don't make up whatever, this is elementary football logic