How much longer is our Super Bowl window?

[Car123]

10 hours ago, Thelt said:

I think Gettlemen had it right.  We should not overpay to keep older players happy.  The Pats don't do that and they are the model for how to win in the modern league.  He should not have been let go. 

With that said Hurney has not been awful this time around.  The real issue is Cam's health.  If his shoulder had not given out I feel sure we would have made the playoffs this year.  The other issue is losing our defensive coordinator two years in a row.  That had a negative impact on the defense, especially the secondary.

Gettleman didn't do much. Ask yourself this - who did Gettleman draft or sign that has a argument to be in Carolina's ring of honor?

Spoiler: none. Maybe Cmc if he continues playing well.

He benefted from a roster filled with franchise cornerstones. I do applaud him for filling in the leaks

[Mr. Scot]

45 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Gettleman didn't do much. Ask yourself this - who did Gettleman draft or sign that has a argument to be in Carolina's ring of honor?

Spoiler: none. Maybe Cmc if he continues playing well.

He benefted from a roster filled with franchise cornerstones. I do applaud him for filling in the leaks

You're obsessed.

Find something new to talk about, kid.

[Car123]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're obsessed.

Find something new to talk about, kid.

Get out of here.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Get out of here.

Like I said before kid, I get it. Dave Gettleman cut your favorite player and hurt your feelings. We all get it. Heck, you've been beating anybody that would listen over the head with it ever since it happened.

It was five years ago. Thats an awfully long time to cry over a football player.

It's unhealthy. Let it go.

[Crazydounut]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Like I said before kid, I get it. Dave Gettleman cut your favorite player and hurt your feelings. We all get it.

It was five years ago. Thats an awfully long time to cry over a football player.

It's unhealthy. Let it go.

Apart from drafting CMC and getting rid of some players that pretty much any GM would have gotten rid of. What has he done? His drafting was pretty meh apart from some solid picks like Williams, Turner and Bradberry

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Crazydounut said:

Apart from drafting CMC and getting rid of some players that pretty much any GM would have gotten rid of. What has he done? His drafting was pretty meh apart from some solid picks like Williams, Turner and Bradberry

His tenure here was the most successful period in Panthers history, including the 2015 Super Bowl.

Firing him was stupid. Replacing him with Marty Hurney was even stupider.  Unfortunately, we're stuck with Hurney for the moment, but here's hoping that's temporary.

 

 

[Crazydounut]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

His tenure here was the most successful period in Panthers history, including the 2015 Super Bowl.

Firing him was stupid. Replacing him with Marty Hurney was even stupider.  Unfortunately, we're stuck with Hurney for the moment, but here's hoping that's temporary.

 

 

Fair it was a sucessful tenure. But if we're being real its more because of guys already on the roster when he got here. (TD, Cam, Luke, Jno, R.Kalil)

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Crazydounut said:

Fair it was a sucessful tenure. But if we're being real its more because of guys already on the roster when he got here. (TD, Cam, Luke, Jno, R.Kalil)

So why didn't those guys have any winning seasons before he got here?

A GM has to build a whole roster, not a partial one. it doesn't matter if you have five or six great players on your team if the overall product isn't good enough to win games.

 

[Car123]

7 minutes ago, Crazydounut said:

Fair it was a sucessful tenure. But if we're being real its more because of guys already on the roster when he got here. (TD, Cam, Luke, Jno, R.Kalil)

Yep.

He did do good of signing cheap outcasts that fit our system.

[Car123]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So why didn't those guys have any winning seasons before he got here?

A GM has to build a whole roster, not a partial one. it doesn't matter if you have five or six great players on your team if the overall product isn't good enough to win games.

 

Because Hurney did not plug the holes. Gettleman did in 2013 and 2015. 

Hurney selected the cornerstones, DG fixed the leaks.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Because Hurney did not plug the holes. Gettleman did in 2013 and 2015. 

Hurney selected the cornerstones, DG fixed the leaks.

Hurney left more leaks than he did cornerstones, and overpaid those leaks to the point that we were 14 million over the cap.

Happily, Gettleman managed to overcome Hurney's incompetence and build a team that put us in the Super Bowl after the best season in Panthers history.

And it all started with the brilliant move of cutting Steve Smith

[Car123]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney left more leaks than he did cornerstones, and overpaid those leaks to the point that we were 14 million over the cap.

Happily, Gettleman managed to overcome Hurney's incompetence and build a team that put us in the Super Bowl after the best season in Panthers history.

And it all started with the brilliant move of cutting Steve Smith

Another lie. The leaks were Safety (Coleman 2015, Mitchell 2013), WR2/3 (Ginn), CB2 (committee) and DT (Short and Star), Norwell. We were solid everywhere else.

Olsen, Stewart, Williams, Kalil, CJ, Hardy, Norman, Smith, Tolbert, Gross, Kuechly, Davis, Cam were our cornerstones. We had more cornerstones than leaks, loser.

Cutting Steve Smith was not the catalyst for our super bowl season.

We did go 12-4 the last time Smith was in the team. He wasn't a hinderance. We built on that 2013 season.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Another lie. The leaks were Safety (Coleman 2015, Mitchell 2013), WR2/3 (Ginn), CB2 (committee) and DT (Short and Star), Norwell. We were solid everywhere else.

Olsen, Stewart, Williams, Kalil, CJ, Hardy, Norman, Smith, Tolbert, Gross, Kuechly, Davis, Cam were our cornerstones. We had more cornerstones than leaks, loser.

Cutting Steve Smith was not the catalyst for our super bowl season.

We did go 12-4 the last time Smith was in the team. He wasn't a hinderance. We built on that 2013 season.

Nah. Smith was obviously the most important move. Heck, the Ravens even tanked after he signed there while we only got better.

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nah. Smith was obviously the most important move. Heck, the Ravens even tanked after he signed there.

Foh they were close to reaching the AFC Championship game in 2014. Smith missed half the season in 2015 after an impressive start. Returned in 2016 and they improved to 9-7 (just missed the playoffs).

Stop quoting me dude. You're a liar.